[cons0le]

The only way to phase out meat is to make a replacement that actually tastes good.

Come to the american south and ask them to try tempeh. They'll look at you like you asked them to eat roaches.

It's a cultural thing.

[DetectDefect]

Taste has nothing to do with it; 'tis is all based on economics and the actual way to stop meat consumption is to simply remove big-ag tax subsidies and other externalized costs of production which are not actually realized by the consumer. A burger would cost more than most can afford and the free market would take care of this problem without additional intervention. Unfortunately, we do not have a free market.

[cons0le]

I would much rather lobby for ending ad gag laws, and fighting for better treatment of animals.

I think its more realistic than getting people to give up meat entirely

[DetectDefect]

You cannot treat a commodified individual "better" - it is only possible to euphemize such a logical fallacy.

[cons0le]

So there's no point in pushing for pasture raised, and it's either all or nothing ?

I think incremental progress is possible. I think rolling back and gag laws would make a positive difference in animal welfare because people would be able to film and show how bad conditions are inside.

I think that's worth pushing for. And it's more realistic than everyone stopping eating meat all at once.

[DetectDefect]

The economics of what you describe are impossible. The entire concept of an idyllic pasture is actual industry propaganda which is not based in objective reality.

[cons0le]

I think getting everyone around me to stop eating meat is not based in objective reality.

If we had better animal welfare laws and meat became prohibitively expensive, I would be absolutely fine with that.

I think incremental progress is possible. We shouldn't let perfect be the enemy of good.