[DetectDefect]

Taste has nothing to do with it; 'tis is all based on economics and the actual way to stop meat consumption is to simply remove big-ag tax subsidies and other externalized costs of production which are not actually realized by the consumer. A burger would cost more than most can afford and the free market would take care of this problem without additional intervention. Unfortunately, we do not have a free market.

[cons0le]

I would much rather lobby for ending ad gag laws, and fighting for better treatment of animals.

I think its more realistic than getting people to give up meat entirely

[DetectDefect]

You cannot treat a commodified individual "better" - it is only possible to euphemize such a logical fallacy.

[cons0le]

So there's no point in pushing for pasture raised, and it's either all or nothing ?

I think incremental progress is possible. I think rolling back and gag laws would make a positive difference in animal welfare because people would be able to film and show how bad conditions are inside.

I think that's worth pushing for. And it's more realistic than everyone stopping eating meat all at once.

[DetectDefect]

The economics of what you describe are impossible. The entire concept of an idyllic pasture is actual industry propaganda which is not based in objective reality.

[cons0le]

I think getting everyone around me to stop eating meat is not based in objective reality.

If we had better animal welfare laws and meat became prohibitively expensive, I would be absolutely fine with that.

I think incremental progress is possible. We shouldn't let perfect be the enemy of good.

[DetectDefect]

People will eventually stop eating meat because it is unsustainable, but unfortunately not without causing a great deal of suffering first, and your comment is an example of why this process is unnecessarily prolonged. It is clear you have not done much research on actual animal welfare based on your "pasture" argument alone. I am even willing to bet you think humans currently outnumber animals, when the reality is so much more troubling.