[PedroBatista]

Microsoft doing Microsoft things, even with all those fresh coats of "open source" paint they bathe themselves in the last decade they really can't change their DNA.

Expect the amount of f*ckery to increase as the AI realities set in but the number has to go up either way.

It reminds me of the good old days of Visual Studio + .NET + SQL Server where they played these games too.

[reactordev]

This made me laugh a bit as I remembered people saying “Oh we have Nadella now, things have changed”. Have they? Have they really?

Windows Recall.

VS Code forcing Copilot.

Windows forcing Copilot.

Office forcing Copilot.

Azure forcing Copilot.

GitHub forcing Copilot.

Outlook forcing Copilot.

Edge forcing Copilot.

You folks are insane.

[mindcrash]

"Just" some Copilot integration (in the form of chat or smart suggestions) is just the start.

The next major Windows 11 update coming in 2026 will have full agentic AI with full control over your (your?) PC. And it will hard require a pretty recent processor with Neural Processor Unit to make it work (so a lot more e-waste is coming).

I fear for the future.

[falcor84]

> And it will hard require a pretty recent processor with Neural Processor Unit to make it work

Am I right to understand that as people don't upgrade their hardware, they're safe from that, right? Sounds like a plus to me.

[reactordev]

Nope, you go to upgrade, because windows update downloaded it and restarted, and it tells you “Your processor is not supported”.

Why would it be any different than the Windows 7 -> Windows 10 debacle? Disabling entire processor families after it boots into installation and wiped the previous windows.

[beAbU]

I think they fixed that to some degree. I have an old win10 PC that now has a persistent "upgrade to W11" banner that informs me my PC is below spec, so I can't upgrade. Fine by me!

[dmicah]

Eventually Microsoft will stop providing security updates to their old OS, compelling users to upgrade if they want to stay on Windows

[ragequittah]

Almost nobody has this functionality on their desktop processor. I hate Microsoft as much as the next guy but there's enough real problems to yell about without making some up. The agentic AI will even be entirely opt in.

[mindcrash]

It's not. Like TPM and several new CPU features are a hard requirement for Windows 11, which are patched out by tools like Rufus but can lead to a broken system with every single update you install, a NPU is a hard requirement for the upcoming major update with agentic AI.

They got a storm of criticism after that announcement, but Microsoft seemingly has not given a single fuck about that and has not backtracked on this decision.

(Just like they technically could have allowed Windows 11 to run on older PCs with some disabled features out of the box, but didn't)

[duskdozer]

Lots of people are now upgrading hardware because of the end of standard Windows 10 updates

[mbirth]

You forgot that even poor old notepad.exe also got the Copilot treatment.

[reactordev]

Fuck did it really? How on earth does that pan out? Who uses notepad? Writers? Word. Coders? Vim or VSCode or <IDE of choice>. I just don’t understand their logic.

They make this beautiful pasture (Windows XP wallpaper) and then lay mines all over the field. Put up signs that say “Free Lemonade” and charge for parking.

[skydhash]

Lots of people do use Notepad as a digital notepad. Random texts, mostly, or as a clipboard manager. It used to start really fast.

[pxoe]

It still starts very fast, even with quite large files and line wrapping. (pretty much on par with lite-xl, though lite-xl did get much faster with some recent version. prior to it though, it was easier and faster to launch notepad)

[BoredPositron]

...and paint.

[KellyCriterion]

NO! really? Are you just kidding, right?

(I'm on an older server version, so I do not know)

[BoredPositron]

Sadly not you can generate images with copilot directly in paint now.

[tashoecraft]

I've heard Github makes more money from copilot than everything else combined. You can think what you want about the strategy, but it's hard to ignore that.

[reactordev]

Easy when it’s forced onto every enterprise agreement and enabled by default in every vs code. C’mon man. You’re smarter than this.

[arielcostas]

But enterprises may negotiate not to use (and pay) Copilot, can't they? Or go with another provider if it's such a big deal. Plus it being enabled by default in every VS Code (I haven't checked this, last I remember you need to sign in with GitHub) gets you on the free tier where you make zero revenue for Microsoft and some expense (not too much, probably).

[reactordev]

No, no they can’t. Again, it’s a part of the agreement. It’s included and bundled with ANY service you order, like it or not.

[square_usual]

So enterprises are just accepting paying twice as much as they used to for no value? The "c'mon man" should be directed at you!

[conartist6]

There is not Copilot, only Zuul.

[pjmlp]

They have for a while, basically it was similar honeymoon phase like when Apple needed every developer help they could get back in 2000.

Unfortunately both of them are back to their old selfs.

However lets not forget that those big corporations, are the same ones that keep the lights on across many FOSS projects that get talked daily on HN.

[runjake]

I’m not sure why people are surprised. If you watch Nadella interviews, he tells you what he thinks and where he wants to take the company.

He touts AI, services, agentic copilot, and all the other stuff customers are railing against.

Some Windows manager got crucified on X recently for an enthusiastic tweet about turning Windows into an agentic OS. People called for this persons firing. But, this was straight out of Nadella’s playbook.

[stoneforger]

Windows users are not customers. Businesses are. Tech conglomerates and everyone adjacent are going for the big money, it's what everyone is doing , it really is a fantastic world devoid of anything but ROI numbers. The fastest way to get rich or die trying, gangstas got nothing on these cats.

[runjake]

I'm doubtful many businesses are requesting many of these features.

I don't think it's wise for them to want stuff like Recall (data exfiltration) or current state of the art agents doing calculations or analysis for them -- at least without a qualified human closely reviewing it's output and conclusions.

I do see businesses wanting simpler, more reliable software with fluid and consistent interfaces, but MSFT isn't focusing on that.

[array_key_first]

Business owners are stupid, and they, too, need to signal to their investors that they're "all in" on AI.

AI is, currently, more of a culture than a product for businesses. At least, the ones that don't literally make the models. I'm sure a lot of business owners really do want all the AI stuff, and then their employees will just work around it, like they do with all sales or signaling driven decisions.

[misswaterfairy]

The bit that really annoyed me: you can't even remove the Copilot button from the Office ribbon any more. Microsoft simply have hidden the option in the Ribbon customisation settings.

Even though I don't use it, and have disabled as much Copilot functionality as Microsoft will let me.

I can't wait for this AI bubble to burst.

[alias_neo]

This piece of news follows that of Copilot being added in an "update" to LG TVs with no option to disable or opt out.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46268844

[heavyset_go]

It's a crime what LG did to webOS. Somehow they turned something great into one of the worst smart TV experiences on the market.

[pjmlp]

I still find it better than Android TV though.

[heavyset_go]

At least in my experience, most of the poor UX can be explained by the fact that LG shipped underpowered hardware for the OS and apps that are expected to run on it. I bought my TV a year ago and it lags or loses input on the main menu, and it's even worse in apps. Forget it if you want to use the overlay menu to change a setting lol

If you remember Palm/HP webOS, it had Preware homebrew that didn't require exploits to run, it was supported by default and was amazing. LG patched the one vuln that would have let me at least root the TV.

The Android TV devices I bought from reputable retailers are at least beefy enough to handle input without lag, and I can run whatever APK I want on them.

[pjmlp]

The only software that I want to run on my TV are TV channels, and all the streaming operators, for anything else I have devices that I don't need to root.

My Android TV on the other room is equally just good enough to run Android, also not going to win any benchmarks.

Agree that the overlay menus on WebOS take their time to come up, but I am not going into them all the time for them to get into my nerves.

[clever-leap]

Simple, do not purchase LG TV.

[alphabettsy]

They’re fantastic imo. Don’t connect to them to the internet.

[egeozcan]

I have a C8 from LG, and I'm so happy with it after so many years, works wonderfully as a dumb panel, and a great panel at that. I wonder if it's impossible to use the newer ones like that. Anyone has any experience? Asking because our neighbors want the same great "tv".

[alias_neo]

I have to agree, simply not buying LG isn't an option, we'd have to rule out just about everyone for the same reason.

I have a slightly older WebOS LG TV, it has PS5, Switch 2, and FireStick 4K Max and an Onkyo receiver plugged in, and as an OLED TV it's incredible, LG would always be my first choice for picture. Don't care about built-in sound as I use a sound-system.

Right now I'm in the market for another TV at around 65inches and was looking at the 2025 model LG OLED, I likely won't connect it to the internet and will probably just hook up an Apple TV following some discussion in another comment section about how much I hate my Fire TV for being ad-ridden.

Really I wish LG or someone would just make a dumb TV with 4+ HDMI, ARC, perhaps DP and a remote and let us hook up what we want; but it'll never happen.

[laaman02]

I recently bought a C5 and never connected it to the network. No issues so far.

[kakacik]

This is my plan for beginning of new year (42" model), mixed games & desktop usage (I know oled ain't best for windows work but non-oled gaming monitors are rather crap ie due to non ideal local dimming, ghosting, mediocre colors compared to oled and so on).

Didnt plan on making it also a TV with internet connection, now I darn sure as hell won't.

Its really sad state of things that the best course of action now for new hardware is to simply use it as it is, never update or plug online since for any chance of any minor issue being fixed there is 100x the risk it will go to shit in substantial ways (I have Samsung q990d - they soundbar literally dying for good after an official update, but that one you had to at least push yourself from phone or via usb).

Not possible with everything, or at least not without substantial hacking for many.

[tonyedgecombe]

I'm already not buying Samsung devices, I'll run out of choices soon.

[duskdozer]

This is how I end up when I try voting with my wallet.

[bpavuk]

why not just use a big ol' monitor with a smart TV box and plain Android TV? or, even better, build a HTPC with Plasma Bigscreen or Bazzite?

[tonyedgecombe]

Because that would be a crap solution.

[bpavuk]

less crap than tons of buttons with region-blocked content, imho

[beezlewax]

I did this without researching enough and it its the worst ui experience going

[snarfy]

Or their washing machines.

[tzs]

That seems a bit of an overreaction. The top 10 front loading washing machines on Consumer Reports' rating list are 8 LGs followed by a Samsung and another LG.

If you don't want WiFi you can still get a top rated washer. The LG WM3400CW, which is in a 3 way tie for high score, does not have WiFi (or Bluetooth, or any other radio).

Note: Consumer Reports says that it does have WiFi but they are mistaken. It does have LG's "SmartDiagnosis" which lets you view diagnostic data in their app which is probably what confused them. On models with WiFi the app gets the data via the network.

On the 3400 you press some buttons on the washer to tell it to send diagnostics, and then it sends them acoustically similar to the way analog modems sent data. You tell their app to use the mic to listen to that and decode the data.

The WM3470CW, #10 on the Consumer Reports list, also is radio free and uses sound for SmartDiagnosis. Consumer Reports correctly lists this one as not having WiFi.

[BearOso]

> Front loading

That's the problem. Front-loading washers have generally been a terrible invention. Unbalancing and mold are among the widespread problems. The actually reliable washers are still top-load.

[alias_neo]

I've always wondered, since we only have front-load washers here in the UK, is there some sort of advantage to it, aside from space, which seems to be the obvious one, does gravity help with battering the clothes around when the drum spins slowly enough they can fall from the top of the drum?

[testrun]

Or their fridges.

[deergomoo]

It’s funny, I never connected my G5 to the network or accepted any of the optional T&Cs, so there’s now numerous places in the UI that say “accept terms to see personalised content”.

Uhhh no? I’m good thanks

[pjmlp]

Yes, unfortunately I must acknowledge that Satya honeymoon is over.

Than the .NET team acts surprised that despite going open source and cross platform, the non Microsoft shops still aren't rushing up to adopt it.

They have to thank upper management for shxxxx on their great accomplishments among the community.