[reactordev]

This made me laugh a bit as I remembered people saying “Oh we have Nadella now, things have changed”. Have they? Have they really?

Windows Recall.

VS Code forcing Copilot.

Windows forcing Copilot.

Office forcing Copilot.

Azure forcing Copilot.

GitHub forcing Copilot.

Outlook forcing Copilot.

Edge forcing Copilot.

You folks are insane.

[mindcrash]

"Just" some Copilot integration (in the form of chat or smart suggestions) is just the start.

The next major Windows 11 update coming in 2026 will have full agentic AI with full control over your (your?) PC. And it will hard require a pretty recent processor with Neural Processor Unit to make it work (so a lot more e-waste is coming).

I fear for the future.

[falcor84]

> And it will hard require a pretty recent processor with Neural Processor Unit to make it work

Am I right to understand that as people don't upgrade their hardware, they're safe from that, right? Sounds like a plus to me.

[reactordev]

Nope, you go to upgrade, because windows update downloaded it and restarted, and it tells you “Your processor is not supported”.

Why would it be any different than the Windows 7 -> Windows 10 debacle? Disabling entire processor families after it boots into installation and wiped the previous windows.

[beAbU]

I think they fixed that to some degree. I have an old win10 PC that now has a persistent "upgrade to W11" banner that informs me my PC is below spec, so I can't upgrade. Fine by me!

[dmicah]

Eventually Microsoft will stop providing security updates to their old OS, compelling users to upgrade if they want to stay on Windows

[reactordev]

Which is fine. No one expects them to support everything forever.

[ragequittah]

Almost nobody has this functionality on their desktop processor. I hate Microsoft as much as the next guy but there's enough real problems to yell about without making some up. The agentic AI will even be entirely opt in.

[mindcrash]

It's not. Like TPM and several new CPU features are a hard requirement for Windows 11, which are patched out by tools like Rufus but can lead to a broken system with every single update you install, a NPU is a hard requirement for the upcoming major update with agentic AI.

They got a storm of criticism after that announcement, but Microsoft seemingly has not given a single fuck about that and has not backtracked on this decision.

(Just like they technically could have allowed Windows 11 to run on older PCs with some disabled features out of the box, but didn't)

[duskdozer]

Lots of people are now upgrading hardware because of the end of standard Windows 10 updates

[mbirth]

You forgot that even poor old notepad.exe also got the Copilot treatment.

[reactordev]

Fuck did it really? How on earth does that pan out? Who uses notepad? Writers? Word. Coders? Vim or VSCode or <IDE of choice>. I just don’t understand their logic.

They make this beautiful pasture (Windows XP wallpaper) and then lay mines all over the field. Put up signs that say “Free Lemonade” and charge for parking.

[skydhash]

Lots of people do use Notepad as a digital notepad. Random texts, mostly, or as a clipboard manager. It used to start really fast.

[pxoe]

It still starts very fast, even with quite large files and line wrapping. (pretty much on par with lite-xl, though lite-xl did get much faster with some recent version. prior to it though, it was easier and faster to launch notepad)

[BoredPositron]

...and paint.

[KellyCriterion]

NO! really? Are you just kidding, right?

(I'm on an older server version, so I do not know)

[BoredPositron]

Sadly not you can generate images with copilot directly in paint now.

[tashoecraft]

I've heard Github makes more money from copilot than everything else combined. You can think what you want about the strategy, but it's hard to ignore that.

[reactordev]

Easy when it’s forced onto every enterprise agreement and enabled by default in every vs code. C’mon man. You’re smarter than this.

[arielcostas]

But enterprises may negotiate not to use (and pay) Copilot, can't they? Or go with another provider if it's such a big deal. Plus it being enabled by default in every VS Code (I haven't checked this, last I remember you need to sign in with GitHub) gets you on the free tier where you make zero revenue for Microsoft and some expense (not too much, probably).

[reactordev]

No, no they can’t. Again, it’s a part of the agreement. It’s included and bundled with ANY service you order, like it or not.

[square_usual]

So enterprises are just accepting paying twice as much as they used to for no value? The "c'mon man" should be directed at you!

[reactordev]

No it’s just baked in. Not opt in. Just baked in.

[conartist6]

There is not Copilot, only Zuul.

[pjmlp]

They have for a while, basically it was similar honeymoon phase like when Apple needed every developer help they could get back in 2000.

Unfortunately both of them are back to their old selfs.

However lets not forget that those big corporations, are the same ones that keep the lights on across many FOSS projects that get talked daily on HN.

[runjake]

I’m not sure why people are surprised. If you watch Nadella interviews, he tells you what he thinks and where he wants to take the company.

He touts AI, services, agentic copilot, and all the other stuff customers are railing against.

Some Windows manager got crucified on X recently for an enthusiastic tweet about turning Windows into an agentic OS. People called for this persons firing. But, this was straight out of Nadella’s playbook.

[stoneforger]

Windows users are not customers. Businesses are. Tech conglomerates and everyone adjacent are going for the big money, it's what everyone is doing , it really is a fantastic world devoid of anything but ROI numbers. The fastest way to get rich or die trying, gangstas got nothing on these cats.

[runjake]

I'm doubtful many businesses are requesting many of these features.

I don't think it's wise for them to want stuff like Recall (data exfiltration) or current state of the art agents doing calculations or analysis for them -- at least without a qualified human closely reviewing it's output and conclusions.

I do see businesses wanting simpler, more reliable software with fluid and consistent interfaces, but MSFT isn't focusing on that.

[array_key_first]

Business owners are stupid, and they, too, need to signal to their investors that they're "all in" on AI.

AI is, currently, more of a culture than a product for businesses. At least, the ones that don't literally make the models. I'm sure a lot of business owners really do want all the AI stuff, and then their employees will just work around it, like they do with all sales or signaling driven decisions.

[misswaterfairy]

The bit that really annoyed me: you can't even remove the Copilot button from the Office ribbon any more. Microsoft simply have hidden the option in the Ribbon customisation settings.

Even though I don't use it, and have disabled as much Copilot functionality as Microsoft will let me.

I can't wait for this AI bubble to burst.