[sirn]

>It also doesn't help that photoshop bloats jpegs by adding hidden adobe meta to every jpeg (beyond and different from exif).

I believe if you use "Save for Web", it will strip out most metadata and EXIF from the image before saving. Here's a result of using "Save for Web" (1.jpg), passing through JPEGTRAN with `-copy none -optimize` (2.jpg) and `JFIFREMOVE` (3.jpg):

    330090  1.jpg
    329916  2.jpg
    329898  3.jpg

[ck2]

Yup, jpegtran is a must for post-processing adobe images.

It can also do a lossless conversion to progressive format.

Most people do not know about it though. JPEGOPTIM is another one.

You can examine what's embedded in the image here http://regex.info/exif.cgi

but there are better offline tools.

[radley]

I don't get it. Why is jpegtran a must?

[CWIZO]

Because it strips any meta information contained in the file which reduces file size. It can also losslessly optimize the image. See here for details (I've written about it a short while ago): http://hancic.info/optimize-jpg-or-jpeg-images-automatically...

[radley]

It sounds great in theory but the previous example only saved < 200 bytes. That's not really optimization, that's overkill.

[CWIZO]

Not if you have many images on the same page. Then id adds up.

[radley]

If you place 1800 images on a page, you'll save enough bandwidth to now have 1801.

[jseliger]

In response to Radley, who said:

* It sounds great in theory but the previous example only saved < 200 bytes. That's not really optimization, that's overkill.*

That's a fair point, but if you've got a site that's getting hundreds of thousands or millions of views, or a large number of thumbnails, the one-time effort to shrink image size might be worth it.