[morkalork]

Wasn't the whole thing that the secret courts were too liberal in access they were granting?

[monerozcash]

Not in the sense that they were ordering companies to facilitate full take collection of content by the NSA, no.

Hence the famous "SSL added and removed here ;-)" slide

[doobiedowner]

Wasn’t room 641A just the NSA strong arming At&T to facilitate full take collection?

[monerozcash]

Getting AT&T to do that is not the same as getting Google to do that.

AT&T does not have much to lose by doing that, Google does.

[doobiedowner]

How do they not have much to lose? They are the ones that have their users on a subscription basis.

[monerozcash]

AT&T customers will not (and did not!) leave because of NSA surveillance, and generally don't have that many options anyway.

[morkalork]

Were the alternatives any better? I don't recall any telecom companies committing to warrant canaries or the like. And speaking of, whatever happened to those?