[TkTech]

I hate every part of this. The pain and suffering and the struggle for money that family had to go through because the richest country on Earth can't be bothered to provide for its citizens. Rebecca should not have had to use a damn gofundme to get health care while struggling with cancer. Her family should not have been forced to publicize her care in the desperate hope that strangers might help her live. Utterly inhuman.

RIP Rebecca.

[rayiner]

It’s a very sad situation, but she had an aggressive cancer that killed her in a matter of weeks. In Germany the healthcare option that would have been offered is hospice care. (Source: family friend runs a hospice facility in Germany and it’s much more common than in the U.S.) I doubt any other socialized healthcare system would have responded differently.

[TkTech]

Germany most certainly covers treatment for aggressive adenocarcinoma, and it's covered at 100%. Germany is literally one of the best places in the world for all levels of oncology.

This isn't just with the hope of curing someone, even when you're terminal things like palliative chemotherapy are covered which can drastically ease your suffering.

[fsckboy]

>because the richest country on Earth can't be bothered to provide for its citizens

The USA spends more on healthcare per person than any other country

  Locations  2024  2023  2022  2021  2020

 USA     14,885 13,818 12,898 12,375 11,926
 Switz.   9,963  9,301  9,089  8,392  7,621
 Norway   9,393  8,909  8,533  7,890  7,221
 Germany  9,365  8,503  8,652  8,103  7,364
 Nederl.  8,436  7,615  7,517  7,317  6,516
 Austria  8,401  7,697  7,700  7,465  6,295
 Luxemb.  8,162  7,247  6,854  6,432  5,859
 Sweden   7,871  7,364  6,977  6,617  6,069
 Ireland  7,813  7,027  6,748  6,221  5,619
 Belgium  7,750  7,178  6,906  6,554  6,097
 Austral  7,469  7,015  6,907  6,546  5,819
 France   7,354  6,848  6,701  6,395  5,874
 Canada   7,301  7,046  6,876  6,906  6,209
 Denmark  7,071  6,555  6,661  6,913  6,147
 Iceland  6,770  6,134  5,956  5,556  5,010
 UK       6,747  6,412  6,188  5,785  5,381
 New Zea  6,700  6,479  6,480  5,213  4,571
 Finland  6,655  6,276  5,765  5,395  4,967
 Japan    5,790  5,619  5,984  5,454  4,855
 Slovenia 5,527  4,556  4,353  3,894  3,756
 Spain    5,346  4,927  4,744  4,405  3,996
 Portugal 5,212  4,713  4,594  4,208  3,555
 Italy    5,164  4,847  4,744  4,409  4,027
 Czechia  5,014  4,570  4,394  4,462  4,098
 Korea    4,797  4,586  4,634  4,106  3,618
 Israel   4,352  3,840  3,682  3,358  3,015
 Poland   4,284  3,560  3,066  2,752  2,510
 Slovakia 4,021  3,280  3,126  2,922  2,449
 Lithuani 3,870  3,306  3,242  3,146  3,092
 Chile    3,749  3,396  3,113  2,848  2,489

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_hea...

[brohee]

That only because that spend is misattributed. Much of the money spent on US "healthcare" ends up wasted on admin in billings, collections and haggling with insurance co... Aka, not healthcare. I'd be very interested to see American numbers without the absolutely insane admin overhead...

[fsckboy]

unfortunately, many of the people who are in favor of providing more financial resources to patients are also in favor of a more extensive regulatory framework, so the two ideas don't get balanced.

[user____name]

"Regulatory framework?" What are you talking about? Centralized information processing is faster and carries much less deadweight loss from duplicated admin and roundtrips. Having a system built around profit maximization isn't one that minimizes cost, as you have shown in your previous post.

[markus_zhang]

The resources spent is more important. Not to prove that you are wrong because I don’t know the answer too, but we should compare actual care per $. Like service and medicine and such, not just the $ amount.

[TkTech]

Is this supposed to be a rebuttal? It's inability to provide for its citizens while spending the most is proof that its model for health care is an utter, abject failure. That money is going to incredible private profits, not the citizens.

[fsckboy]

was what I was responding to supposed to be a constructive suggestion?

>It's inability to provide for its citizens

provide some evidence, and also the counter evidence that shows that other countries don't leave people waiting for important procedures.

I don't claim to have the answers, but I will claim that you and GP for sure don't, I don't even think you are in possession of any facts.

[bdangubic]

except of course in USA 14,884 out of 14,885 went to … not care :)