[bigyabai]

> but look who is rising, Mamdani and Fuentes

5 years ago:

> but look who is rising, Kamela and Kirk

10 years ago:

> but look who is rising, Clinton and Trump

25 years ago:

> but look who is rising, Bush and Bernie

You can make this argument for literally any point in American history. All you need is two household-name ideologues, it doesn't prove anything.

[moosedman]

It's quite then progression isn't it?

But Fuentes can be described like this:

"The Nazi in question here, podcaster Nick Fuentes, has described Adolf Hitler as “really fucking cool” and said “perfidious Jews” must “be given the death penalty” after “we take power.”"

Just look at the Mamdani state run grocery stores and you'll see that in there own way, each of these are huge steps outside the mainstream.

[bigyabai]

I'm familiar with them both. We can play the pull quotes game all week, it's fruitless. American politics have been like this for centuries and it's nothing new.

What you are falling victim to is transgressive politics. Both sides have policy that chafes with you, and instead of admitting that you're being ragebaited, you're insisting that it's my fault for not recognizing it as some unforseen political maelstrom of racist communism. The big ugly thing you're pointing at is simply called politics.

[moosedman]

You don't seem to be very clear on US politics if you think there is nothing extraordinary about their rise on the political stage, a rise driven in large part by desperation from Gen Z.

[bdangubic]

there isn’t… you are probably young and think this is something extraordinary … us in 50’s - we’ve seen this shit before too many times :)