[uecker]

This seems like a bad way to phrase it. The vaccine is certainly a lot (many orders of magnitude) less dangerous than just 0.1x as dangerous as COVID. Maybe you wanted to say that the risks from COVID are only 10x more without vaccination than with it due to limited effectiveness of the vaccine?

[diordiderot]

yeah the 10x was just myocarditis.

I've discounted the other effects as they were generally associated with comorbidities (lung scaring was a % of hospitalized people).

I've also discounted long-covid because of comorbidities, self-reporting bias, nocebo effective, and depression/anxiety overlap. Yes I know its still real, but the true rates are difficult to know.

Edit: I should have factored clotting as well

[uecker]

Myocarditis from the is usually mild while myocarditis from COVID may have worse outcomes. And for myocarditis, the 10x would apply only for a specific age group and males, and not overall.

[lucyjojo]

friend of mine (early 20s) got his atp production severely damaged (not annihilated but way less than normal).

he can't really use stairs, or walk a long time, etc. he sleeps a lot, and basically can't be active for a long time anymore. his reaction time also worsened apparently (used to be ridiculously fast).

hospital folks (in 2 different countries) directly linked it to the vaccine.

so yeah it's rare but it can get really bad...

[uecker]

I wonder why they blamed the vaccine?

[lucyjojo]

unfortunately i don't know.