[jimbokun]

You owe your cushy job and big paycheck entirely to those tech-fetishists that came before you.

Secondly, you are very blind if you don’t see that the AI making your job “easier” is close to replacing you entirely, if you don’t also have a deep understanding of the code produced. What’s to stop the Project Manager from vibe coding you out of the loop entirely?

[bdangubic]

State of the industry both short and medium term is that you want to be the one doing replacing vs being the one being replaced. Not great but this is where we are at. If you are say SRE there are myriad of companies working hard to eliminate SREs but they need experts to set shit up so that SREs are not needed. Same thing will cascade to other Tech work, some faster than others. Career-wise I think it is wise now to position yourself as one that knows how to set shit up for the “great replacement”

[jimbokun]

Yes we are rapidly moving towards a time where bullshitting will be more valued than deep understanding and problem solving. Both LLMs and the broader culture are pushing in that direction.

[int_19h]

It's not an either-or. Doing the replacing with AI means that you're ripe for being replaced yourself. Indeed, what you do until then is likely to have a side effect of training the very model that eventually replaces you.

The real answer to this is collective action - unions etc - to push back against the lowering of the standards by our employees. But software engineers still seem to be broadly allergic to unions.

[whynotminot]

We all owe every part of everything to those who’ve come before us. That goes without saying, really.

> Secondly, you are very blind if you don’t see that the AI making your job “easier” is close to replacing you entirely, if you don’t also have a deep understanding of the code produced.

Brother don’t patronize me. I’m a senior engineer I’m not yeeting vibe code I don’t understand into prod.

I also understand the possibility of all of this potentially devaluing my labor or even wholesale taking my job.

What would you like me to do about that? Is me refusing to use the tools going to change that possibility?

Have yet to hear what else we should be doing about this. The hackernews answer appears to be some combination of petulance + burying head in the sand.

[jimbokun]

It’s simpler than that.

It’s more of a funeral, collective expression of grievance of a great, painful loss. An obituary for a glorious, short time in history where it was possible to combine a specific kind of intelligence, creativity, discipline, passion and values and be well compensated for it. A time when the ability to solve problems and solve them well had value. Not just being better at taking credit than other people.

It was wonderful.

I know you don’t care. So just go to some other forum where you don’t have to endure the whining of us who have lost something that was important to us.

[whynotminot]

I get it, but fundamentally this is a forum discussing technology, and AI is part of that. Especially as it relates to software engineering.

I come here to learn, discuss, and frankly, to hang onto a good life as long as I can have it.

The collective whinging in every AI topic is both annoying and self-defeating.

[balamatom]

>is both annoying and self-defeating

No brother. You are the one being annoyed by it, because you are the one doing nothing about it.

>What would you like me to do about that? Is me refusing to use the tools going to change that possibility?

What I know I refused 'em out of principle, turns out I'm doing fine. I also know for certain that had I not refused them, I would not be doing fine.

>to hang onto a good life as long as I can have it.

Trick question: do you think you deserve a good life?

What if there isn't enough good life for everyone, do you deserve it more than others?

Than which ones then?

>collective whinging

And this is why I think you don't.

The moment you began to perceive mass dissent as "collective whinging" was the moment the totalitarian singularity won you over.

And then it's an entirely different conversation, conducted by entirely different means of expression.

[whynotminot]

You still haven’t suggested anything practical to actually do. That’s a lot of words to say basically nothing.

[balamatom]

Step 1: Risk something

[int_19h]

This is hacker news, supposedly.

And vibe coding is pretty much diametrically opposite to the hacker ethos.

[whynotminot]

Many of you don't seem to grasp that AI isn't a binary "don't use at all" or "all-in on pure slop" proposition. AI assisted development is not automatically vibe-coding.

Believe it or not, you can actually use these tools to level up your skills and understanding faster and then ship better code! Like with any powerful tool, it requires some care to use it correctly.

[int_19h]

I'm well aware of this, and I do use AI.

Nevertheless the point remains that the net effect of industry-wide forced adoption of AI is not a "level up" but rather "more slop".

[jimbokun]

Then find another forum.

[whynotminot]

You don’t get to gatekeep this forum.

[NeutralCrane]

It’s not about not caring. It’s about accepting reality.

[balamatom]

Ok, enabler.