[jimbokun]

It’s simpler than that.

It’s more of a funeral, collective expression of grievance of a great, painful loss. An obituary for a glorious, short time in history where it was possible to combine a specific kind of intelligence, creativity, discipline, passion and values and be well compensated for it. A time when the ability to solve problems and solve them well had value. Not just being better at taking credit than other people.

It was wonderful.

I know you don’t care. So just go to some other forum where you don’t have to endure the whining of us who have lost something that was important to us.

[whynotminot]

I get it, but fundamentally this is a forum discussing technology, and AI is part of that. Especially as it relates to software engineering.

I come here to learn, discuss, and frankly, to hang onto a good life as long as I can have it.

The collective whinging in every AI topic is both annoying and self-defeating.

[balamatom]

>is both annoying and self-defeating

No brother. You are the one being annoyed by it, because you are the one doing nothing about it.

>What would you like me to do about that? Is me refusing to use the tools going to change that possibility?

What I know I refused 'em out of principle, turns out I'm doing fine. I also know for certain that had I not refused them, I would not be doing fine.

>to hang onto a good life as long as I can have it.

Trick question: do you think you deserve a good life?

What if there isn't enough good life for everyone, do you deserve it more than others?

Than which ones then?

>collective whinging

And this is why I think you don't.

The moment you began to perceive mass dissent as "collective whinging" was the moment the totalitarian singularity won you over.

And then it's an entirely different conversation, conducted by entirely different means of expression.

[whynotminot]

You still haven’t suggested anything practical to actually do. That’s a lot of words to say basically nothing.

[balamatom]

Step 1: Risk something

[int_19h]

This is hacker news, supposedly.

And vibe coding is pretty much diametrically opposite to the hacker ethos.

[whynotminot]

Many of you don't seem to grasp that AI isn't a binary "don't use at all" or "all-in on pure slop" proposition. AI assisted development is not automatically vibe-coding.

Believe it or not, you can actually use these tools to level up your skills and understanding faster and then ship better code! Like with any powerful tool, it requires some care to use it correctly.

[int_19h]

I'm well aware of this, and I do use AI.

Nevertheless the point remains that the net effect of industry-wide forced adoption of AI is not a "level up" but rather "more slop".

[jimbokun]

Then find another forum.

[whynotminot]

You don’t get to gatekeep this forum.

[NeutralCrane]

It’s not about not caring. It’s about accepting reality.

[balamatom]

Ok, enabler.