[JumpCrisscross]

> the government gives me free housing, my children get free education and free healthcare

None of these are H-1B perks. (Note: H-1B, not H1-B. It comes from ¶ H(1) of the INA of 1952; H-1A for nurses and H-1B for non-nursing specialty occupations [1].)

Immigrants pay for housing in homes that pay property taxes that fund public education. Their employer pays for their healthcare that costs multiples what most of the same treatments and drugs cost in India. (Only once they become a resident alien do they qualify for marketplace subsidies.)

> native Americans, who could even very well be the descendants of the founders of America

You've got to be shitting me. (Try native born next time.)

> my foreign children get preferential treatment in Indian universities

The students of H-1Bs (from India, no less) do not get preferential treatment in American university admissions. If anything, it's the opposite. It's why Indian Americans join lawsuits by Asian and White Americans around removing race considerations from college admissions.

> Thucydides Trap

"Research by Graham Allison," the guy who coined the term in 2011 after a career in the Reagan administration and, before that, at the RAND Corporation, "supporting the Thucydides trap has been criticized" [2].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-1B_visa#History

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thucydides_Trap#Methodological...

[brookst]

But you have to admit “native Americans who could be descendants of the founding fathers” is rich with humor on several layers.

[JumpCrisscross]

> “native Americans who could be descendants of the founding fathers” is rich with humor

Yes.

Though I did consider, until noting the context, that they might be referring to descendants of both the founding fathers and Native Americans. Chilling, actually. To think that a good number of one branch of our founding fathers' descendants may have been exterminated by another.

[FrustratedMonky]

Jefferson owned slaves and slept with slaves? So owned descendants?

[bluecheese452]

Slept with is really whitewashing it. Not much choice for a slave.

[FrustratedMonky]

Euphemism. I'm not sure how graphic to be online.

Maybe Jefferson brought some of that whacky weed down to the slave quarters and had a big party. Had a good time. Drugged them up first. Not unlike maybe the underclass of sex workers today, in dire straits and desperate.

[newyankee]

It is even funnier when this argument comes from Canadians, Australians and some New Zealanders as these are some of the more open and shut cases while other countries can be argued to be on some spectrum of foreign vs native depending on the time scales considered.

Generally it is framed to meant that we are the people who captured and built these countries and they belong to our 'culture'

[hopelite]

I can tell you are irrational and angry brainwashed person, but that still does not change reality, or the fact that your reading comprehension is poor. I will not bother addressing what you erroneously wasted time on arguing with yourself about. But safe to say you ignored that I even tried to preempt dumb responses as yours. I know for a fact that all those and many more programs exist that are provided to foreigners while native Americans are barred. I literally am looking at several people right now who I know have profited from them.

Fact of the matter is that the tribes that were in what Europeans called America were objectively, factually not Americans, on obvious account that America didn’t exist prior to Europeans creating it, and they did not and would not have considered themselves Americans at all, let alone native Americans.

How would you be a “native” of something you are not a part of and don’t want to be a part of, just because some kid in 2025 is brainwashed about you?? And that’s without mentioning that they not only didn’t like the noting of America for understandable reasons, even if they understood what it meant at all, which most didn’t as they were, for better or worse, literally Stone Age people at the founding, with no reasonable expectation of understanding what a Constitution was since they didn’t even have a written language.

And that’s without even going into the fact that the tribes largely considered themselves antithetical to this European created America and wanted to remain their own identity and not let fools as yourself mash them into America.

They were literally sovereign nations up until recently, literally not part of America for the prior 200 years. Do you even understand any of that?

But you want them to be native Americans by creating them into your propaganda riddled conception of what America is? Why not leave them be their own America, not just another destroyed identity that this perversion called America has devoured and destroyed.

[zaptheimpaler]

Arguing with people who believe in alternative facts is usually futile. Can you provide any trustworthy evidence of even one government program that provides free housing, education or medical care to H1Bs but not to citizens as you claimed before? Because i don’t think there are any such programs. Those sound like things refugees might get, not people on work visas.