[numpad0]

> ... because the new product is that much better than the used product.

This starts reading like a hallucination after a while. How much in a Tesla had changed over past 5 years or so that makes 2020 model completely obsolete and unappealing relative to 2025 model?

The range hasn't doubled, internal volume hasn't, acceleration or braking hasn't. They may have changed implementations under the hood, but none has been clearly communicated to potential customers, so they might as well be the exact same car.

Meanwhile, 2020 Prius is that ugly one with quirky dashboard, and 2025 is that mustard yellow thing with the HUD-like dash.

So what in an EV is so "rapidly advancing technologically" so much that it perfectly rule out much more simpler explanation that people just aren't interested in EVs, in favor of more hand-wavy one that the newer EVs are just constantly enormously more appealing to the customers that older ones tend to lose the appeal faster?

[verdverm]

Look to BYD instead of Tesla if you want to find rapid advancement. Tesla has not been well managed for a few years, BYD recently passed them to become the biggest EV seller

I bought Hyundai, which charges 2x faster than the Tesla

Another thing to consider is the Tesla likely makes up the majority of the used EV inventory, and Tesla has become a toxic brand

[Spivak]

Sweet Jesus 1000 miles of range per hour is incredible. It might not technically solve the road trip problem but that's fast enough to make a not even five minute pit stop to get you home. Any range anxiety for intra-city travel is just gone.

[zer00eyz]

> BYD recently passed them to become the biggest EV seller

Well when your government subsides every sale, and your the cheapest product on the market this is a natural outcome.

Mass strikes by workers (in china). Fires (a lot of them). Recalls (several this year). And now massive tariffs for them in a lot of markets don't paint a picture that they have a sustainable business.

We all know that subsidized growth is a great way to build a business (see ridesharing, delivery, in the US) but it doesn't make consumers happy in the end when prices go up and service quality goes down.

[Spivak]

Having ridden in a lot of BYDs when traveling overseas I think you paint too bleak a picture. They're everywhere and reliable enough to seemingly be the preferred cars for uber drivers. Some markets might tax them out of existence but I expect others will gladly take perfectly serviceable cars on the cheap.

Tesla is still kicking and they had all the same problems at one time or another. I mean until this year we also massively subsidized every EV sale so pot calling the kettle black.

[zer00eyz]

> I mean until this year we also massively subsidized every EV sale so pot calling the kettle black.

There is a big difference between domestic subsidies and export subsidies.

One is a policy to promote adoption the other is akin to economic warfare.

[theshackleford]

> There is a big difference between domestic subsidies and export subsidies.

Nice goalpost shifting.

[zer00eyz]

The OG tax break on Hybrids and EV's first caught on with the Nissan Leaf, and Toyota Prius.

That isnt the government subsidizing an EV for export.

https://www.electrive.com/2025/08/22/china-discloses-subsidi...

[Sohcahtoa82]

> I bought Hyundai, which charges 2x faster than the Tesla

Your Hyundai charges at 500 kW?

[verdverm]

There's more to charging than peak kW, notably sustained throughput

The amount of range you can put into the EV, per unit of time, is a better metric.

https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-charging.html

Hyundai has been on the 800V arch for a while with their E-GMP platform, Tesla's first entry is the 25th spot.

[Sohcahtoa82]

Huh...that is interesting. TIL.

I wonder why the Tesla is not able to maintain the high charging rate? Both peak at about the same kW.

[dboreham]

I don't think that's true. Afaik Tesla (except Cybertruck) have 400V charging limited to 250kW while the other vehicles have 800V charging allowing 350kW or so.

[bmicraft]

Maybe the car is more efficient and it's twice the rate in "driveable distance-charged" per unit of time?

[numpad0]

I've seen more lamborghinis than privately owned BYDs at this point. Maybe it's just where I'm from, but consumers definitely aren't switching to BYD, around myself.

[dboreham]

Recently in Singapore and Hong Kong. Roughly as many BYD as Teslas there.

[theshackleford]

> Maybe it's just where I'm from

I mean it's pretty obviously this. You don't become the worlds largest EV seller if nobody is buying.

[jopsen]

I think it's also fair to argue that it's probably more perceived, than actual.

People are obsessed with EV range, and massively concerned that used EV have degraded batteries.

Most likely there are some market inefficiencies here. Good for you, buy a cheap used EV ;)

Also many EVs are still not attractive to price sensitive consumers. And the price insensitive ones, won't buy used EV.