[verdverm]

Look to BYD instead of Tesla if you want to find rapid advancement. Tesla has not been well managed for a few years, BYD recently passed them to become the biggest EV seller

I bought Hyundai, which charges 2x faster than the Tesla

Another thing to consider is the Tesla likely makes up the majority of the used EV inventory, and Tesla has become a toxic brand

[Spivak]

Sweet Jesus 1000 miles of range per hour is incredible. It might not technically solve the road trip problem but that's fast enough to make a not even five minute pit stop to get you home. Any range anxiety for intra-city travel is just gone.

[zer00eyz]

> BYD recently passed them to become the biggest EV seller

Well when your government subsides every sale, and your the cheapest product on the market this is a natural outcome.

Mass strikes by workers (in china). Fires (a lot of them). Recalls (several this year). And now massive tariffs for them in a lot of markets don't paint a picture that they have a sustainable business.

We all know that subsidized growth is a great way to build a business (see ridesharing, delivery, in the US) but it doesn't make consumers happy in the end when prices go up and service quality goes down.

[Spivak]

Having ridden in a lot of BYDs when traveling overseas I think you paint too bleak a picture. They're everywhere and reliable enough to seemingly be the preferred cars for uber drivers. Some markets might tax them out of existence but I expect others will gladly take perfectly serviceable cars on the cheap.

Tesla is still kicking and they had all the same problems at one time or another. I mean until this year we also massively subsidized every EV sale so pot calling the kettle black.

[zer00eyz]

> I mean until this year we also massively subsidized every EV sale so pot calling the kettle black.

There is a big difference between domestic subsidies and export subsidies.

One is a policy to promote adoption the other is akin to economic warfare.

[theshackleford]

> There is a big difference between domestic subsidies and export subsidies.

Nice goalpost shifting.

[zer00eyz]

The OG tax break on Hybrids and EV's first caught on with the Nissan Leaf, and Toyota Prius.

That isnt the government subsidizing an EV for export.

https://www.electrive.com/2025/08/22/china-discloses-subsidi...

[Sohcahtoa82]

> I bought Hyundai, which charges 2x faster than the Tesla

Your Hyundai charges at 500 kW?

[verdverm]

There's more to charging than peak kW, notably sustained throughput

The amount of range you can put into the EV, per unit of time, is a better metric.

https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-charging.html

Hyundai has been on the 800V arch for a while with their E-GMP platform, Tesla's first entry is the 25th spot.

[Sohcahtoa82]

Huh...that is interesting. TIL.

I wonder why the Tesla is not able to maintain the high charging rate? Both peak at about the same kW.

[dboreham]

I don't think that's true. Afaik Tesla (except Cybertruck) have 400V charging limited to 250kW while the other vehicles have 800V charging allowing 350kW or so.

[bmicraft]

Maybe the car is more efficient and it's twice the rate in "driveable distance-charged" per unit of time?

[numpad0]

I've seen more lamborghinis than privately owned BYDs at this point. Maybe it's just where I'm from, but consumers definitely aren't switching to BYD, around myself.

[dboreham]

Recently in Singapore and Hong Kong. Roughly as many BYD as Teslas there.

[theshackleford]

> Maybe it's just where I'm from

I mean it's pretty obviously this. You don't become the worlds largest EV seller if nobody is buying.