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by simondotau 244 days ago
I agree it's a bad choice of name, though I think the controversy is somewhat overstated.

In Tesla's view, "full" is an antonym to "limited", where Autopilot designed to work on a limited class of roads. In this way, "full" was intended to describe the system's intended ability to perform the full task of piloting a vehicle, not that the system has achieved some unspoken threshold of engineering perfection. In its current state, FSD can perform complete drives without intervention almost every time. (Yes, "almost" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. But the same is true of some human drivers who hold driver licenses.)

And to be fair, it's important to disambiguate technical and regulatory achievements. It is "supervised" because "unsupervised" would necessarily mean Tesla's software is the legally licensed driver of someone else's privately owned vehicle, which is a situation regulators are nowhere near contemplating. And it would require a vastly different insurance product to what is currently sold by insurers.

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That's a lot of words to say that Tesla's self driving software is not ready yet and is undeserving of the name "full self driving".

Externalising the blame to regulators is pretty embarrassing, because regulations are flexible with respect to how well self driving cars work.

Why would Tesla be scared of having liability for a self driving car that drives better than humans? Shifting the liability to the driver who is merely sitting in the car and only exists for regulatory reasons and never controls the car is illogical in the case of the car never getting into an accident or violating traffic rules.

Additionally, it is still illogical even in the case of an accident as the driver did nothing to bring about the accident or traffic rule violation. Their existence as a backup can only prevent such things from occurring.

Assuming adversity from the driver is just one more reason to take control away from humans. E.g. the driver disengaged the self driving features to produce an accident on purpose as liability was shifted to Tesla.

Supervision appears to be extremely suboptimal for Tesla with no conceivable upside if we trust your word that regulations are holding them back from full self driving without the supervision disclaimer.

If anything, they have an incentive for locking out drivers from driving their cars manually. You should be paying for manual control instead of paying for full self driving.

> In this way, "full" was intended to describe the system's intended ability to perform the full task of piloting a vehicle, not that the system has achieved some unspoken threshold of engineering perfection.

No. Tesla simply lied. Tesla very specifically claimed it would outperform human drivers.

In 2016 Tesla claimed every Tesla car being produced had "the hardware needed for full self-driving capability at a safety level substantially greater than that of a human driver":

https://web.archive.org/web/20161020091022/https://tesla.com...

Wasn't true then, still isn't true now.

I don't think it's proven that Tesla knowingly lied as opposed to catastrophically misjudged the level of processing power required in 2017. But you'll get no argument from me that it's a distinction without a difference, for customers stuck with older iterations of FSD hardware.
I think the hardware definitely is that good.

The software is perhaps not there yet. But that's not what they claimed.

> I think the hardware definitely is that good.

Tesla doesn't: https://electrek.co/2025/01/29/elon-musk-finally-admits-that...

HW4 isn't good enough either. Tesla straight up lied to you. No point defending the lie.