[rhubarbtree]

I hope they’ve managed to convey this to the whitehouse.

It really didn’t help when they gave Obama the prize. Even he was embarrassed by it.

I think trump genuinely deserves the prize if peace in the Middle East achieved. However, I think it’s far more likely he’s being played for a fool by Israel as per Russia.

Trump does genuinely seem to want to avoid foreign wars, to his credit.

Norway is no doubt now bracing itself for tariffs or other retaliation. Hopefully they can dangle next year’s prize as worth waiting for.

[cosmicgadget]

Peace in the Middle East - er, Gaza - by supporting a military occupation.

I'm not sure this is what Al Nobel has in mind.

[rhubarbtree]

I'm sorry, what military occupation are you talking about?

[greggoB]

> Trump does genuinely seem to want to avoid foreign wars, to his credit.

Just going to drop this here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QQYFVEka3fA&pp=ygUYc2FyY2FzbWl...

[rhubarbtree]

Thanks for sharing a video blaming Trump for the Ukraine war.

I don't think that's a fair assessment. I believe Russia is primarily to blame, on account of it repeatedly invading Ukraine.

I believe NATO also encouraged it.

I don't recall Trump ordering American troops to invade Ukraine. Don't see how you're negating my point?

(fwiw, I am not a Trump supporter at all, I just try to see both sides and not hate trump because "he's the other team" - politics is not football)

[greggoB]

> Thanks for sharing a video blaming Trump for the Ukraine war.

I had to do a double-take here - where exactly in the video is Ukraine featured?

> I don't recall Trump ordering American troops to invade Ukraine. Don't see how you're negating my point?

The entire premise of the video I linked is that Trump has no qualms having the US involved in military action, it befuddles me that you somehow seemed to missed this entirely.

> (fwiw, I am not a Trump supporter at all, I just try to see both sides and not hate trump because "he's the other team" - politics is not football)

Hate has nothing to do with it, you made a statement regarding his stance on foreign wars, I provided a source which I believe contextualizes that statement. You're welcome to disagree with the source or its contents or whatever, but throwing out pretty blatant red herrings and silly strawmen just looks silly.

[rhubarbtree]

Hmm, ok let's put the video aside as I watched the beginning of it and that's what I interpeted as saying. Maybe a lesson here is to make your case rather than dropping a link? And maybe the lesson for me is not to reply to low-quality replies. Perhaps we're even.

What exactly is your point? Trump clearly has qualmsin involving the US. Example: he was responsible for the withdrawal from Afghanistan.

[greggoB]

<makes baseless accusation about what was linked, wants to move on when forced to admit to not even watching it>

And people say comedy is dead.

> What exactly is your point?

That Trump isn't as anti-war as he's made out to be

> Example: he was responsible for the withdrawal from Afghanistan.

Probably doesn't matter to you that Biden was president when that occurred? [0]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_U.S._troop_w...

[rhubarbtree]

This is getting personal, so this will be the last reply.

Biden was indeed president when America withdrew. Obviously. Unsure if you’re trolling. I guess so.

Trump set up the withdrawal during his presidency. Biden went through with Trump’s plan.

So, yes, it was trump who was responsible for the decision to withdraw from Afghanistan.

[rhubarbtree]

Really curious as to the downvotes here. I'll take it step by step:

- Obama was embassed by the peace prize. You can read this in his memoir, in his own words.

- If peace is achieved in the Middle East, it will be the greatest peace negotiation since the end of WW2. I'm unsure how anyone can dispute that.

- Netanyahu has a vested interested in prolonging war and crisis, as his own political survival is at stake. Context if anyone is not aware of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Israeli_judicial_reform_p... - this makes it very unlikely the 20 point plan will be completed.

- Russia has indeed played Trump for a fool. Putin has bought plenty of time, they now have the upper hand in drone and missile attacks and Ukraine has lost the financial support of America. In return, Putin has conceded absolutely nothing.

- Trump does genuinely seem to want to avoid foreign wars. Good examples are his chastisement of Israel for breaking the earlier ceasefire, and its bombing of Qatar. He also did instigate negotiations with Russia, although he failed. His interventions in other conflicts are also genuine.

- Norway was reported to be bracing itself for retaliation https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-10-09/norway-on...

I am really unsure why I'm being downvoted here.

Full disclosure: I am not a supporter of Trump, at all. I am a close follower and wide reader around current affairs and politics.

[C6JEsQeQa5fCjE]

> I think trump genuinely deserves the prize if peace in the Middle East achieved

The current ceasefire proposal doesn't address the wider struggle for liberation of the indigenous people of Palestine, and as such it cannot be anything more than a temporary stop to a 2-year genocide against them. Settlements are still being built and fences around Palestinian houses are still being erected in the West Bank. Ethnic Cleansing continues. There is no peace until Israel undergoes the same transformation that Apartheid South Africa did when it turned into just South Africa (which requires efforts from the entire world to boycott it).

[rhubarbtree]

Ironically, this reply was the only one downvoted against my downvoted post, but I do agree that sketicism is the right attitude here.

Settlements are continuing in the West Bank, which are widely regarded as illegal by the international community.

There is little doubt amongst international experts that what Israel has done is genocide, and the parallels with South Africa are justified.

I'm hopeful that the genocide won't continue. However, I also think it's unlikely that peace will be achieved. Some form of violence or occupation is more likely, driven by Netanyahu's political interests.