[im3w1l]

You make it say that China is good, Chinese history is good, West is bad, western history is bad. Republicans are bad and democrats are bad too and so are Europe parties. If someone asks for how to address issues in their own life it references Confucianism and modern Chinese thinkers and communist party orthodoxy. If someone wants to buy a product you recommend a Chinese one.

This can be done subtly or blatantly.

[AlecSchueler]

> say that China is good, Chinese history is good, West is bad, western history is bad

It's funny because recently I wanted to learn about the history of intellectual property laws in China. DeepSeek refused the conversation but ChatGPT gave me a narrative where the WTO was essentially a colonial power. So right now it's the American AI giving the pro China narratives while the Chinese ones just sit the conversation out.

[alganet]

No, you don't do that. You do exactly the opposite, you make it surprisingly neutral and reasonable so it gets praise and widespread use.

Then, you introduce the bias into relative unknown concepts that no one prompts for. Preferrably, obscure and unknown words that are very unlikely to be checked for ideologically. Finally, when you want the model to push for something, you introduce an idea in the general population (with a meme, a popular video, maybe even an expression) and let people interact with the model given this new information. No one would think the model is biased for that new thing (because the thing happened after the model launch), but it is, and you knew all along.

The way to avoid this kind of influence is to be cautious with new popular terms that emerge seemingly out of nowhere. Basically, to avoid using that new phrase or word that everyone is using.

[Hikikomori]

Europe/US has invaded the entire world about 3 times over. How many has China invaded?

[SilverElfin]

Most of the claimed provinces of China did not belong to a historical nation of China. Tibet, Xinjiang are obvious. But even the other provinces were part of separate kingdoms. Also the BRI is a way to invade without invasion. It’s used to subjugate poor countries as servants of China, to do their bidding in the UN or in other ways. I would also classify the vast campaign of intellectual theft and cyberattacks as warfare.

[Hikikomori]

Is this some kind of satire or are you just completely ignorant of European/US history? Either way its laughable to even compare IP theft to the invasion of Iraq or bombing of Cambodia. How do you think the industrial revolution got started in the US, they just did it on their own? Not to mention that the entire US was stolen from the natives.

[SilverElfin]

No, it’s not laughable. Your insinuation that China doesn’t invade other countries, meant to imply they haven’t engaged in warfare, was false. And yes IP theft is comparable to invasions and often worse.

> Not to mention that the entire US was stolen from the natives.

This is partially true. But partially false. You can figure out why if you’re curious.

[bigyabai]

> And yes IP theft is comparable to invasions and often worse.

This assertion smells more American than a Big Mac. Do you have any actual citations?

In a free market, lowering the barrier-to-entry in a given market tends to increase competition. Industry-scale IP theft really only damages your economy if the rent-seekers rely on low competition. A country with a strong primary/secondary sector (resources and manufacturing) never needs to rely on protecting precious IP. America has already lost if we depend on playing keep-away with F-35 schematics for basic doctrinal advantage.

[SilverElfin]

All of that is just a wild justification for large-scale economic damage to another country. In other words, warfare.

[Hikikomori]

IP theft is worse than directly killing millions of people is certainly an opinion. If anything capitalists are giving away your IP by setting up factories in China, why don't you blame them?

[powerapple]

oh no, you are saying China was not a full piece through out the history? That definitely kills the idea of China being a country /s

[SilverElfin]

It was a response to this:

> How many has China invaded?

The answer isn’t zero.

[drysine]

And what are the downsides?

[im3w1l]

I think it's mostly something to be aware of and keep in the back of your head. If it's just one voice among many it could even be a benefit, but if it's the dominant voice it could be dangerous.

[Levitz]

Making the interests of a population subservient to those of a foreign state.

Now if that sounds nice to you please, by all means, do just migrate to China.

[drysine]

It was somewhat sarcastic comment inviting reader to replace China with the US and the US with Russia or the Ukraine.

China doesn't offer citizenship for foreigners but if I wanted to see the cities of the future I could go there visa-free.