[SilverElfin]

Most of the claimed provinces of China did not belong to a historical nation of China. Tibet, Xinjiang are obvious. But even the other provinces were part of separate kingdoms. Also the BRI is a way to invade without invasion. It’s used to subjugate poor countries as servants of China, to do their bidding in the UN or in other ways. I would also classify the vast campaign of intellectual theft and cyberattacks as warfare.

[Hikikomori]

Is this some kind of satire or are you just completely ignorant of European/US history? Either way its laughable to even compare IP theft to the invasion of Iraq or bombing of Cambodia. How do you think the industrial revolution got started in the US, they just did it on their own? Not to mention that the entire US was stolen from the natives.

[SilverElfin]

No, it’s not laughable. Your insinuation that China doesn’t invade other countries, meant to imply they haven’t engaged in warfare, was false. And yes IP theft is comparable to invasions and often worse.

> Not to mention that the entire US was stolen from the natives.

This is partially true. But partially false. You can figure out why if you’re curious.

[bigyabai]

> And yes IP theft is comparable to invasions and often worse.

This assertion smells more American than a Big Mac. Do you have any actual citations?

In a free market, lowering the barrier-to-entry in a given market tends to increase competition. Industry-scale IP theft really only damages your economy if the rent-seekers rely on low competition. A country with a strong primary/secondary sector (resources and manufacturing) never needs to rely on protecting precious IP. America has already lost if we depend on playing keep-away with F-35 schematics for basic doctrinal advantage.

[SilverElfin]

All of that is just a wild justification for large-scale economic damage to another country. In other words, warfare.

[bigyabai]

Hybrid warfare. Go bomb China for Salt Typhoon if it makes you feel any better, they still have the upper hand. Obsessing over retaliation instead of defense is precisely what China wants to provoke, it manufactures global consent to destroy America. No nation wants to coexist with a hegemon that goes nuclear whenever they're outdone.

When we forego obvious solutions ("hmm maybe telecoms need to be held to higher standards") and jump to war, America forfeits the competitive advantage and exacerbates the issue. For all of China's authoritarian misgivings, this is how they win.

[SilverElfin]

Hybrid warfare is warfare.

[Hikikomori]

IP theft is worse than directly killing millions of people is certainly an opinion. If anything capitalists are giving away your IP by setting up factories in China, why don't you blame them?

[powerapple]

oh no, you are saying China was not a full piece through out the history? That definitely kills the idea of China being a country /s

[SilverElfin]

It was a response to this:

> How many has China invaded?

The answer isn’t zero.