[realusername]

I'd say the EU manufacturers are in an even worse position than Toyota as their electric lineup isn't great and they have massive reliability problems on both ICE and BEV cars unlike Toyota.

Currently they only survive in the EU thanks to tarrifs on Chinese cars.

And I would say the opposite about Tesla, they experienced the biggest selling drop of all brands combined, if there's one brand going to crash first, I'd bet on Tesla.

[gorgoiler]

Can you elaborate on (or link to some resources on) EU manufacturer quality issues? I have a hunch I know what you mean but I’d like to know more.

[Lio]

Really? I think Renault are on a roll at the moment.

The Renault 4, Renault 5 and Megan seem really competitive.

The new Nissan Leaf (made in UK) also looks pretty good.

VAG seem to have lost the plot (“let’s replace all the controls with a small, janky touch system that leaks personal information to hackers”) but their ID.7 isn’t total crap.

Comparing Renaults to the Chinese brands I’ve seen (MG and BYD) the Chinese brands were a bit cheaper but they really felt it with cheap interiors and uncomfortable seats. I’d rather pay a grand more and get a car I like.

[stavros]

I have a BYD Seal and it's by far the most luxurious and best quality car I've owned, and my previous car was a Mercedes. I don't know what you've tried, but it doesn't feel cheap at all

[Lio]

I only buy mass-market cars. I've looked at MG 4s, 5s and BYD Dolphins. I didn't rate any of them.

I view all cars as depreciating liabilities and so have little interest in buy either Seal or its Mercedes equivalent.

[izacus]

ID.7 is the most sold EV model in EU so "not total crap" is an interesting definition. Other ID models are selling well too

[pxndx]

What's your source? it's the 5th in this ranking I found: https://autovista24.autovistagroup.com/news/europes-best-sel...

[izacus]

Eh, it was Germany this year: https://www.goingelectric.de/zulassungszahlen/2025/Februar/

Still, 5th is far from "eh" - on a test drive it ended up quite a nice Passat level car.

[izacus]

What are you on about though? EU EV sales are through the roof and pretty much all brands now have good EV cars.