[JumpCrisscross]

> we cannot lay blame soley at the foot of Israel here

For the famine, yes we can. Let the aid in. Let Hamas steal it. Now you can blame Hamas. The fact that we have zero evidence of Hamas stealing the current aid makes it entirely one side's fault.

[Alupis]

Aid did get in, and Hamas did steal it. The media ignored it, so the narrative continues status-quo.

Israel has no reason to support Hamas and their efforts here. If Hamas wasn't stealing all of the aid earlier in this conflict, perhaps aid would still be flowing into Gaza.

It doesn't seem so absolute/cut-and-dry like you try to make it.

[JumpCrisscross]

> Aid did get in, and Hamas did steal it

We have no proof this was routinely happening [1].

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/26/world/middleeast/hamas-un...

[Alupis]

The UN's own data does not support your claim or article[1]. The UN's data showed 88% of trucks delivering aid to Gaza were looted along their routes - failing to reach their intended destination.

[1] - https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2025/08/05/un-reports-88-percen...

[JumpCrisscross]

> UN's data showed 88% of trucks delivering aid to Gaza were looted along their routes - failing to reach their intended destination

Yes. I think a shop in San Francisco also had some candy bars stolen this AM. Doesn't mean Hamas did it.

[Alupis]

You're trying super hard here...

So explain to us who is armed and can loot a moving UN convoy in the Gaza region???

This is some insane, wild, political nonsense.

[JumpCrisscross]

> explain to us who is armed and can loot a moving UN convoy in the Gaza region

That's not what the data say! "Intercepted" means what in retail one calls "shrinkage." It was there before. It isn't now.

A staffer could have stolen it. A security guard or driver could have been bribed. It could have been dropped off at the wrong location, or not tracked. It could have been ripped off a moving truck by unarmed, hungry people [1]. It could be non-militants who picked a gun off a dead combatant. Or it could be armed militants. Concluding that all shrinkage is the result of armed robbery is sort of like figuring everything a store's inventory system says was delivered to the store that isn't on the shelves and hasn't been sold was obviously robbed at gunpoint.

(I'm also not sure where you're getting the idea that these are armed convoys of UN assets being run through Gaza. Aid provisioning is generally much more rinky dink. And the "U.N. does not accept protection from Israeli forces, saying it would violate its rules of neutrality.")

[1] https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-aid-tru...

[db48x]

Hamas regularly brags in their recruitment videos about how much food they have, and how their fighters get to eat as much as they want.

[cyberpunk]

Ah then cut off the whole region entirely. Makes perfect sense.

Here's a crazy idea. If hamas steal even 90% of the food, why not flood the area with so much fucking food it becomes worthless instead of letting humans starve as terrible collateral against your war goals?

Which approach do you think better serves the stated goals of defeating the terrorists?

Nah, isolation and cruelty it is. Israel has created generations of enemies.

[actionfromafar]

And pissed away generations of goodwill (deserved or not) abroad. The damage to the Israeli state is incalculable.

[sgjohnson]

> The damage to the Israeli state is incalculable.

Is it? Because not even the Arab countries that have recently recognized Israel don’t seem to particularly care about what Israel does in Gaza. Aside from a press release or a vote at the UN. All empty words.

Not a single Arab country that recognizes Israel has suspended (or even lowered) diplomatic relations with Israel.

I’m pretty sure that once the war in Gaza ends, everyone will be all too happy to forget that it even happened. Even if they won’t say it out loud.

[JumpCrisscross]

> once the war in Gaza ends, everyone will all too be happy to forget that it even happened. Even if they won’t say it out loud.

It may have a lasting effect in America. Which would mean Israel finding friends in Russia, China and/or India, the latter two which would probably be fully on board with an actual ethnic cleansing of Gaza.

[actionfromafar]

The whole EU is debating putting sanctions on Israel. Even if it doesn't happen this time, it's a major shift of the Overton window.

[JumpCrisscross]

> whole EU is debating putting sanctions on Israel

Not really. It's debating applying "tariffs on some Israeli goods and impos[ing] sanctions on Israeli settlers, and two members of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s Cabinet" [1].

(The EC has also endorsed Trump's 20-point plan [2].)

[1] https://apnews.com/article/eu-israel-sanctions-tariffs-gaza-...

[2] https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2025...

[sgjohnson]

Eh. Just about everyone is doing the absolute best they can to give an impression that they are doing something about it, without actually doing anything meaningful at all.

Even the recent recognition of the Palestinian state from Canada, UK and France. They know full and well that it’s basically a meaningless gesture.

[JumpCrisscross]

> why not flood the area with so much fucking food it becomes worthless instead of letting humans starve as terrible collateral against your war goals?

...this is a really good idea. And American farmers are over a barrel due to tariffs...

[actionfromafar]

Now you believe them?

[db48x]

Sure, I believe them when they say that they’ve got all the food. I believe them when they say that if the residents of Gaza don’t want to starve then they should send their sons to sign up as a soldier. I believe them when they say that they want to kill all Jews between the River and the Sea. They may not be very trustworthy in most respects, but when they say these things then I believe them. Not much reason not to.

[tguvot]

according to published data above 80 percent of shipments are intercepted: https://app.un2720.org/tracking