[scotty79]

Do other apes want to kill themselves when their photos with no clothes on are taken? If not then it's some kind of sick culture that makes humans think in this manner. Fix that. It will need to get fixed eventually because technology won't go back. It will go forward faster and faster.

Even the richest man on earth's (one of them) solution to related problems is a tall hedge around his property that he gets fined for. There ain't no going back.

[jMyles]

> Do other apes want to kill themselves when their photos with no clothes on are taken? If not then it's some kind of sick culture that makes humans think in this manner. Fix that.

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[array_key_first]

Fix... The patriachy? You want me to fix the patriarchy?

Again, let's stop playing stupid. And, while we're at it, let's stop suggesting "solutions" that we know we can't implement.

There's a very simple solution we can do right now: don't take naked pictures of people.

[scotty79]

> Fix... The patriachy? You want me to fix the patriarchy?

Sure. Also sexism, puritanism, security through obscurity and abrahamic religions while you are at it. It's long overdue.

> There's a very simple solution we can do right now: don't take naked pictures of people.

That's a very temporary solution since in a very near future everybody will have their pictures taken all the time and not necessarily in the wavelengths that stop at clothing for one simple reason, technology exists.

Don't worry, you don't really have to fix anything. Just peacefully die and let the next generation grow up without your cultural burden. It's also a temporary solution but feasible for now since death is still a thing people do.

[array_key_first]

> That's a very temporary solution since in a very near future everybody will have their pictures taken all the time and not necessarily in the wavelengths that stop at clothing for one simple reason, technology exists.

What? No.

You can't hand wave away absolutionism. You can't just say "well thing X will definitely happen!"

That's not an argument, that's a belief. You've just told me your religion. Not an argument.

There's absolutely zero fucking reason why we need cameras everywhere taking naked pictures of people. That isn't just inevitable - you literally just made that up.

This "slow March towards tech gods" thing I see pisses me off beyond belief.

Because people act like it's an argument or a style of logic. No. Its a religion. You're a scientologist. You don't need me, or hackernews, you need a fucking therapist.

I mean, do you even hear yourself? You're saying we should be allowed to take as many pictures of nude women and girls as we want because you believe, some day, some Angelic tech will appear that will be omnipotent.

Dude, you sound insane. Like legitimately insane.

Also, the whole "well technology exists!!1" mindset is just so obviously fucking wrong and stupid.

You know what other technology exists right now? Today? Guns.

Does that mean I can shoot you in the face? Well the technology exists! Making murder illegal is a temporary solution! The real solution is teleporting to an alternate reality where evil does not exist!

Come on.

[scotty79]

> You're saying we should be allowed to take as many pictures of nude women and girls as we want

I never said anything even remotely similar. All I'm saying is that when it happens (and it will) we should prioritize ensuring that it's not a reason for anyone to self-harm.

> You know what other technology exists right now? Today? Guns. > Does that mean I can shoot you in the face? Well the technology exists!

Yes, you can. Regardless of any laws. And I take precautions to avoid that scenario with a technological solution that lets me discuss with you without ever letting you know where my face is. Few hundred years ago it would be a power of a techno-god. Today it's everyday's baseline.

[jMyles]

This is a very reasonable, thoughtful answer. array_key_first is a gaslighter and not worth your time.

[array_key_first]

What is reasonable about the claim that we should be allowed to take naked pictures because it's inevitable?

Why is it inevitable? I reject that conclusion. Inevitability isn't an argument, it's a belief system.

I can say anything is inevitable. Shooting someone in the face is inevitable if guns exist. Okay, sure.

But shooting someone in the face is still illegal, no matter how inevitable it is. The solution isn't to make people good - because that's not reasonable.

I'm frustrated because this argument is so intrinsically and fundamentally flawed, and in such an obvious way, but I still have to argue against it.

I feel like I'm arguing that the sky is blue. Is this for real?

[jMyles]

> Fix... The patriachy? You want me to fix the patriarchy?

Uhhh, yeah. Instead of crippling society by suggesting we remove our eyeballs or brains (or their electronic equivalents), let's fix the actual problems.

Your use of the "playing stupid" cudgel is not helpful. Instead of accusing others of playing dumb, let's hear: how do _you_ see an internet age free of patriarchal and sexist structures emerging?

[array_key_first]

> Your use of the "playing stupid" cudgel is not helpful.

Its not meant to be helpful, it's meant to be true. Sorry about it.

> Uhhh, yeah. Instead of crippling society by suggesting we remove our eyeballs or brains (or their electronic equivalents), let's fix the actual problems.

Ahh see here's the underlying problem: you have a religious belief that you're quickly trying to pass off as an argument!

You cannot, under any circumstances, just compare humans to computers for free.

Humans have special rights, and have always had special rights, forever. You cannot just undo millions of years of understanding and expect me to go along with it.

A camera DOES NOT HAVE RIGHTS. A camera is not an eyeball. And LLM is not a brain. And so on and so on.

Some LLM singularly type folk, call them tech Christians, hold the belief that technology will soon supercede humanity and therefore LLMs are equivalent to Brains.

But that is a belief. Let me repeat that. That is a belief. That is not argument.

Right now, computer programs do not have rights. Its not an if, not a but, not a maybe - they don't have rights.

We're allowed to do this because we are human. We give ourselves special privileges.

That's why if I eat a good steak then that's just a nice dinner. But if I chop you up and eat you, I'm going to prison.

We haven't even given fucking cows rights yet. And they're literally alive and conscious. We can't just give cameras or programs rights. Come on man.

> Instead of accusing others of playing dumb, let's hear: how do _you_ see an internet age free of patriarchal and sexist structures emerging?

Slowly, over time, and predominantly not by objectifying women by proposing we should be allowed to take naked pictures of them whenever we want. Duh.