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by AOE9 261 days ago
So how is DHH a fascist? Or is this just the in vogue ad hominem attack right now?
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Yeah, I don't really think it's addressed much in this article, but it's fairly clear from his posts. There is a thread here discussing it[0].

Essentially, he is posting articles[1] saying he wants fewer non-white people in London.[2].

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45303111

[1] https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45303305

I was not aware of his opinions till yesterday, but I am still not sure how that is fascist, it might be something else but not fascist?
Ahhh, sorry, I was focusing on the rascist side.

In the article he supports Tommy Robinson[0], who I think most people in the UK would consider a fascist. He started the EDL (english defense league) which was a more violent extreme version of the BNP (british national party), which the ADL article I just linked describes as "fascist".

I only found out about his views the other day too, so can't say I've noticed any articles that are explicitly fascist, but given what I've read and his support for fascist figures I wouldn't necessarily be surprised at the moment to be honest.

You do raise a fair point though.

[0] https://www.adl.org/resources/article/tommy-robinson-five-th...

I am from the UK and know about Tommy Robinson in passing. I read the ADL article and am struggling to see how he is a fascist, he is anti-islam and anti-immigrant but how does that translate to wanting a dictatorial leader, autocracy, forcible suppression etc like Russia?
So you at least agree he's racist then?
Sure, just struggling to understand how to get to fascist.
you don't think of Tommy Robinson as fascist? that's surprising to me. Ok, so I've grabbed a random definition of fascism[0] (first thing that came up googling).

> a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition

now, let's think about tommy robinson and the EDL.

* exalts nation and often race above the individual - check.

* wants a centralised autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader - check.

* by forcible suppression of opposition - I mean... it's the EDL, big check.

[0] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

> you don't think of Tommy Robinson as fascist? that's surprising to me.

I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of the British public don't think he is either. Which is why I am asking how he is one.

> Ok, so I've grabbed a random definition of fascism[0] (first thing that came up googling).

Yeah that is the same definition I was using.

> now, let's think about tommy robinson and the EDL. > * exalts nation and often race above the individual - check.

Sure I agree.

> * wants a centralised autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader - check.

Where did this come from? I don't think that article said anything about this.

> * by forcible suppression of opposition - I mean... it's the EDL, big check.

I don't know much about the EDL & what they have done so I couldn't comment on this.

I think the point is that was in vogue 5-10 years ago but now people are treating it as background noise due to overuse.

Which sucks because there is real fascism in some parts of society. But DHH? I have no idea.

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That is not true, the phrase is non-native brits, and that is very different to what you wrote.
Do you really think he's complaining about the white Aussie bartender who comes over here?
Maybe not Aussie bartender but even a lot of typically 'white' Europeans have very different cultures than English and Australian. For example when it comes when it comes to punctuality or queuing. Even stuff like how contracts are treated can be very different depending on the culture. DHH is Dutch and maybe closer to English culture than Italian/Spanish/French.

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"Do you really think he's complaining about the white Aussie bartender who comes over here?"

-> Theres little complaint about the "white" Ausie bartender, BECAUSE he probably speaks great English, came there legally, isn't consuming wellfare resources, isn't advocating for Sharia law, and might even end up going back to Ausie land.

It's not about *skin color*, it is about culture/crime/wellfare resources and legal double standards.

If an Ausie entered the UK illegally, he would be deported. If an Ausie committed a crime, he goes to jail and/or deported. With these other people, they enter illegally but then get placed in tax payer funded hotels and politicians conspire with police to cover up their crimes (see the rape gang scandals) and they literaly arrested the victims.

At one point there were plenty of complaints when *too many Polish white dudes* rocked up in the UK and competed for jobs and didn't always speak good English.

Not about race - it is about Language, culture, job competition, crime rates, wellfare resources, values (sharia-law / treatment of women), social integration vs enclaves.

And only when it involves so many millions of people comming in that it rapidly alters the local culture. (or shifts votes! or whatever other thing people care about - overwhelming of infrastructure / housing availability)

Why is DHH a racist for sympathising with some Britts whom are unhappy with the 60% cultural transformation that is occuring in London?

You are reading between the lines to hastily conclude that DHH is a racist. You need more than just "he wasn't complaining about white Ausie bartenders".

Quote me an actual paragraph or sentence where DHH says he dislikes anyone because of their race ? Or stop calling people racists without hard proof. The tone of that DDH London article seems quite radical. But tone is not enough to indict.

Literally none of what you have said is true. Stop reading the Daily Mail / watching Fox News and go do some research.

It isn't my job to give you a point by point rebuttal of all the racist talking points you've regurgitated.

Calling people racist is cheap. I literally just explained how people can have legitimate concerns about illegal migrants entering in large numbers, concerns which are COMPLETELY UNRELATED to skin color, and all you do is call these things racist talking points.
He says "non-native brits" and says there are "about a third" and links to a page showing 36% "White British"[0] (note: explicitly excluding non-white british)

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45303111

Can you define that term?
he excels in this kind of dog whistling. it confuses people who were born yesterday, but it is loud and clear to people who agree with him or are the intended victims.
Agreed, but being a conservative or right wing person does not equal being a fascist. We should be reserving those words to the people that really deserve them, otherwise the word loses the meaning.
We as a society keep coming up with more and more esoteric definition of "fascist" just to avoid having one that fits modern day political actors. I feel like the word has far more meaning here, where it's used to describe a set of policy prescriptions than it is as only referring to a list of groups with all criteria for entry erased.
Personally it seems the other way round, more and more esoteric definition of X so you can label your opponent it and discount everything about them without having to debate. Hence why I had to ask if he actually is one.
Let's start with the simplest definition I could find, just to walk you through it.

> "(n) an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization."

Is this what DHH is advocating for? Absolutely. I'll skip past right wing because that part is obvious. Nationalistic in terms of "non-Londoners" being used interchangeably with immigrants, a person from Birmingham meets his "Native London" criteria, and using that criteria for social organization.

Pretty cut and dry for anyone using just the basic dictionary definition. Obviously, there's a version with more stipulations and exceptions you'd rather use but those can be safely filled under "overly esoteric".

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And this is why these very serious words have lost their power. Racist, Sexist, Fascist.... When half the country is deemed to support "literal" Himler, or when Elon Musk, or Jews with family impacted by the Holocaust, are called Nahtzees, then these words have been diluted to mean nothing.

I hope people who so overused&misused these words are happy with what they achieved.

Congratulations you made these words lose all power. I would have preferred a world where these words still had serious meaning attached to them.

I agree the words are misused, it is the boy who cried wolf. Hence why I had to ask if DHH was X.
So who does he support that is fascist?