[mijoharas]

you don't think of Tommy Robinson as fascist? that's surprising to me. Ok, so I've grabbed a random definition of fascism[0] (first thing that came up googling).

> a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition

now, let's think about tommy robinson and the EDL.

* exalts nation and often race above the individual - check.

* wants a centralised autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader - check.

* by forcible suppression of opposition - I mean... it's the EDL, big check.

[0] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

[AOE9]

> you don't think of Tommy Robinson as fascist? that's surprising to me.

I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of the British public don't think he is either. Which is why I am asking how he is one.

> Ok, so I've grabbed a random definition of fascism[0] (first thing that came up googling).

Yeah that is the same definition I was using.

> now, let's think about tommy robinson and the EDL. > * exalts nation and often race above the individual - check.

Sure I agree.

> * wants a centralised autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader - check.

Where did this come from? I don't think that article said anything about this.

> * by forcible suppression of opposition - I mean... it's the EDL, big check.

I don't know much about the EDL & what they have done so I couldn't comment on this.

[mijoharas]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Defence_League#Relatio...

[AOE9]

So has he ever expressed anti-democratic ideas? Such as wanting a dictatorial leader, autocracy etc that kind of is a key component of fascism.

[mijoharas]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

[AOE9]

I am not sure how I was being a bad actor, I asked the same question three times and was not getting an answer.

> how does that translate to wanting a dictatorial leader, autocracy, forcible suppression etc like Russia?

> > * wants a centralised autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader - check. > Where did this come from? I don't think that article said anything about this.

You responded to this with a wikipedia article, which said he denounced fascism/neo-nazis & banned people from events.

> So has he ever expressed anti-democratic ideas? Such as wanting a dictatorial leader, autocracy etc that kind of is a key component of fascism.

I don't see how my follow up question was unreasonable given the wikipedia or ADL article you linked never said he expressed anti-democratic ideas.

However, projectazorian has convinced me that while they may not have expressed fascist views directly, with their deep connections to neo-nazis/fascists they could be hiding it to be electable.

[mijoharas]

Alright, I wasn't planning on posting any more, but let me editorialize, and simplify:

How is DHH fascist?

- here he is espousing ethno-nationalist viewpoints (one key fascist ideology).

How is that fascist?

- ok, here he is supporting a fascist. See this article specifying that he was a member of a fascist organisation for 5 years, and then started a more extreme offshoot of it.

How is tommy robinson fascist?

- Here are some reasons.

How is the EDL fascist?

- here is an article discussing fascism and the EDL

Has he expressed a specific viewpoint?

- point out sealioning.

[projectazorian]

Fascists tend to downplay that part of their ideology until they're in power. Even the Nazis did this to some extent.