[nunobrito]

That statement is wrong at best scenario and fake at worst.

I'm a long time user of NOSTR. When you enter the network through any of the main clients you will only see curated topics (trending). The WoT assures that the best content comes up.

[stonogo]

I had almost exactly the same experience and lost interest for the same reason. Am I wrong or fake?

[Geep5]

Same experience here, im still trying to but that's tough to get past.

[nunobrito]

Either of them. I can't even fathom how this would be your first time experience there, other people here on this topic confirm that it doesn't happen.

If you feel that is wrong, please describe the steps to replicate such situation.

[stonogo]

Happy to help.

Step 1: In 2023, notice a crypto spam post on Mastodon with a weird account name.

Step 2: Look up what could have made that post, which was bridged from some other service.

Step 3: Set up a key, grab a client (I used a web client that deployed to Netlify's free tier).

Step 4: Follow some howtos, add relays, follow some accounts that repeat other accounts, try to figure out how discovery works.

Step 5: Start seeing really disturbing content.

Step 6: Delete all this stuff, and write it off in the same bucket as Freenet.

Step 7: Wait some years.

Step 8: Get called a liar on a web forum.

[t1E9mE7JTRjf]

What relays were you on? I have never seen CP on nostr. Did you start off following the crypto spammer mentioned or that was just what caused you to find nostr? I'd be curious how you built your initial follow list, as that and the relays you were on is the source of what you see. Kind of like if you go to weird ass websites you'll see that content, but nostr itself doesn't expose anything to a user, it's only a network for content read/write.

[stonogo]

I did not keep detailed notes, but there were a couple Gists and a couple blogs that listed relays and stuff to follow. I'm perfectly willing to accept that there was bad stuff in thoses lists, but I don't really care about the mechanisms behind it. Easier just to move on.

[staticelf]

Sweden has a website called "dumpen.se" which tricks and publishes pedophile that are trying to abuse children.

The leftist media hates this website because they are doing an effective job. They are calling them all kinds of things.

When people are effective in tracking or publishing about pedos, there are always a lot of people saying you are the problem, not the pedos. I wonder why. There are a lot of pedos out there (just look at dumpens work it's kinda obvious) and they are of course using services that are anonymized and decentralized like any other.

Usually they are also very active online and attack people that try to cut their illegal actions online. Just look at my original post, it is downvoted. I just wanted some kind of action towards cutting pedo content and it is frowned upon by these people.

[nunobrito]

Very much unrelated to NOSTR which is a transparent network with a Web Of Trust enabled as default for users.

It is a grave and unfair accusation to associate NOSTR with such nefarious activities, that was the reason why so many protested against that labelling.

[jasonvorhe]

I don't see what any of this has to do with nostr.

[nunobrito]

Come on, so much effort writing and yet so vague.

The easiest way to try NOSTR is using any of the common web platforms like https://primal.net or https://yakihonne.com/

Heck, you can even install NOSTR clients directly from the App and Play store since years.

It is very unbelievable that you followed such a complicated process, even went to effort of deploying to a server (what?!?) and then somehow you see disturbing content without looking explicitly for it.

In case you are sincere, try it again using any of the common methods.

[stonogo]

It was years back and I didn't even care enough at the time to take notes on the process. I typed up the how-to partly as a joke because I found it funny some rando was demanding a detailed reproducer for an afternoon of screwing around ages ago.

I did find the client I used; it was called "branle". I'm not in the habit of installing random shit on my iphone, thanks. Deploying things to Netlify is super easy, especially when the software is designed for it explicitly.

I will not be trying again, because as I said elsewhere in the thread, I don't actually care about nostr. Bluesky is working fine for me these days, and in the event that stops being the case, I won't be revisiting the one I already wrote off.

[throwaway290]

Do you really think somebody would try out a new platform 2 years ago, immediately drop it due to shady stuff and remember all the non trivial steps involved in this process?

> you can even install NOSTR clients directly from the App and Play store since years

Since feb 2023, apparently;)

[nunobrito]

He just detailed a very weird and vague way that is unbelievable.

I'm a user since January 2023, there were plenty of well-known web clients already available back at that time (e.g. coracle, amethyst, etc). You enter the clients, there is a WoT by default and shows the most proeminent conversations typically.

My experience was never as the one he describes. Not even at the beginning, as you can see for many others here on this same publication. Those few (3?) cases mentioning otherwise will never provide real details for their claims.

[yellowapple]

That is indeed multiple years, technically speaking :)

[staticelf]

What exactly is wrong about my statement? Stating that my experience is wrong is stupid.

I don't know how the app I used works. I simply used the "Snort" app, connected to a few relays and did not use it for a couple of months. Then I came back and instantly saw CP freely shared. Instantly removed the app from the phone.

You can't say that it don't exist when people like me have seen it with their own set of eyes. This only makes protocols/projects like nostr set to fail, since regular people won't fucking care and just think of the nostr as something pedophiles are using, which they would not be incorrect in thinking at this moment.

I was betting on nostr in the beginning, I was running my own relay and started on a nostr client. But I gave up since clients came popping up everywhere so I didn't really have time to compete.

[numpad0]

Yeah, when a layperson says $SOCIAL_MEDIA is full of child pornography, it often just means legal anime content that would be on advertisements everywhere in Tokyo, especially anime contents that are LESS explicitly sexualized.

This happens because Japan always has disproportionately massive online presence with significantly better democratized attention engineering, and so content selections naturally mimic a crossing at Akihabara(despite it almost has been entirely superseded by Chinese tech cultural centers such as Shenzhen), not the Times Square(in NYC), which infuriates a lot of somewhat vocal people.

And, the reason why I must bring this up is that it is not merely it is inaccurate labeling, but it is also counter productive to not face it straight on. Such as, people would move away from pornography, making it less actually pornographic, which is more child-pornographic by the standards of people using this term in this manner, because that is what are considered LESS sexualized contents by its producers, which by the way exist in orders of millions in Japan and leaking out fast into Asia at large.

TLDR. Hating anime, fine. Just don't call it CP. Your words sound opposite of intent. That's what brought us here. So stop.

[staticelf]

1. I am not a layperson. I used nostr while it was still under active development and when it only had a few NIPs finished.

2. I have been to Japan several times, I know the difference between anime/hentai/lolita and stuff like that. This is not what I was experiencing.

3. I have nothing against pornography in general.

The issue is that when people bring up shit like this, we are not taken seriously and this hurts projects like nostr. It will never reach momentum if no steps are taken to prevent illegal material and dark shit like CP.

Calling me a liar makes me believe that you are intentionally are downplaying the experiences I and others have, which is helping pedophiles and similar people share their illegal content freely and without consequences. Why I do not know and you should seriously think about it and stop.

[numpad0]

- The smaller group says they see TONS of $thing,

- the larger group says they see NONE of $thing,

- both are looking at the EXACT same thing.

-> The disagreement is in the definition of $thing.

It can't get clearer. How else would you explain it? Either you're lying(I guess not), or your definition is way off, or those secret underground organizations made some mistake and their secret Facebook group illegal content leaked out(no such thing on Nostr). By far the most likely scenario is that you're grouping from traffic cones to boxes of oranges to parrots in a forest into the exact same category of offensive contents by standards that nobody else could even understand.

[jazzyjackson]

Or maybe nostr is based on relays and no one user sees the whole network?

[numpad0]

But aren't relays supposed to be completely architecturally different from Mastodon instances? I thought that very point of Nostr is that choice of relays should not (directly) lead to availability or mix of contents.