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by pierot 279 days ago
You might not see the benefit directly, but the idea is that we must do this for future generations. If everybody keeps looking at the others, nothing happens. The ones that can lead must lead.
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There are generations alive today who will live to see the end of this century, and the consequences of our emissions:

https://oceanographicmagazine.com/news/amoc-atlantic-tipping...

What if we leave our children an impoverished Europe and a world dominated by authocraties?
Then they'll be in a better position than if we leave them a Europe that can't support life.
Will we?
Well, unless we manage to reverse the trend I guess.
> The ones that can lead must lead.

I get frustration that people feel in some countries like Netherlands where emissions per capita is 6.56t CO2, while others that also can do something like US, do not (14.3t CO2 per capita).

> If everybody keeps looking at the others, nothing happens.

On the other hand, this is true.

This is extremely frustrating considering also how much wealth there is in the US. Luckily on state level there are initiatives and some green energy is more cost efficient than ff. Still, not a great situation.
I kinda agree.

I however think it should be a personal responsibility. Not something forced upon you or being pushed to the government to solve. People have more personal responsibility. Lots of them aren’t bothered anymore because they think the government will fix it.

For example, I don’t have a car and choose to live in walking distance of my work. When I go somewhere I take the bike or train.

I'd go the other way - it should be a global carbon tax of so much per ton. Otherwise you get the present combo of "EU - But at what cost?" and "World emissions hit record high", ie. suffering but with no results.

Tax still gives personal freedom - just if you want to burn a lot of oil you pay more.

If there was any sign of that working that'd be fine.
We must suffer, our kids and their kids, alive today, must suffer so unborn future generations may (possibly?) benefit from unpredictable climate benefits?

I’m not buying it, but it’s being forced down my wallet anyway.

What’s the reason we have to have expensive energy and import massive numbers of unskilled migrants?

What does immigration policy have to do with climate and energy?
The grand parent comment brought it up.

Anyway, immigration drives up energy demand, and according to at least some theories of economics, that has a tendency to drive up price.