[bdangubic]

It isn't like programming. It is its own thing.

Absolutely. And what I find fascinating that this experience is highly personal. I read probably 876 different “How I code with LLMs” and I can honestly say not a single thing I read and tried (and I tried A LOT) “worked” for me…

[rootnod3]

According to most enthusiasts of LLM/agentic coding you are just doing it wrong then.

[bdangubic]

not sure this is really true/fair, I think what LLM/agentic code enthusiasts will say is that they have found their way to be effective with it while naysayers will fight the "this is sh*t" battle until they are eventually out of the workforce.

[rootnod3]

So, why do you only opt for that side of the argument? Why not indulge in the side of the naysayers will be able to keep a job after the bubble bursts because they still know how to code by hand? And that exact sentiment is what I was alluding to.

There is maybe some truth to the LLM vibe coding and there maybe is some truth to the “old guard” saying “this is shit”, because this might be shit for very good reasons.

[bdangubic]

I’ve been doing this sht for 30 years and one thing I can tell you I learned - when you see something as “groundbreaking” (controversial?) as llms and see many people telling you how much more productive they are with it there are almost always two camps:

- those fighting HARD to tell you at the top of their lungs “oh this is sht, I tried it and it is baaaad

- those going “hmmm let me see how I can learn etc to get to the point where I am also a lot more productive, if ____ and ____ can learn it so can I…”

You always want to be in the second camp…

[rootnod3]

I seem to have forgotten the golden rule to never speak out against LLMs, yet you be subjected to instant downvotes. I don't mind the downvotes, but bring some counterpoints to the discussion and make it worth the platform.

EDIT: typo

[bdangubic]

one of the likely reasons you are getting downvoted is that you made a snarky remark. (unsolicited) word of advice - you should always listen to the enthusiasts (if you are not one of them), they have figured something out before you did (nothing wrong with that, many people are much smarter than you and I)...