[poleguy]

This article makes me wonder about comparative analysis against other models and brands. It is good Sig Sauer produced a failure mode analysis. Where are the competitive analysis documents?

It also makes me wonder if the reason it can't fix some of these issues is because it is working around patent issues.

Pure speculation.

[eoskx]

It appears based on some other court documents that Sig with the P320 intentionally excluded a trigger tab safety based on marketing decisions to be competitive, which every other striker-fired handgun has included. That along with some other issues appears to be the basis for where the P320 design went wrong.

[dmoy]

> This article makes me wonder about comparative analysis against other models and brands. It is good Sig Sauer produced a failure mode analysis. Where are the competitive analysis documents?

Presumably buried in the woods along with whatever shenanigans went down to award XM17 to Sig over Glock without going through the full predescribed testing in the first place

[lazide]

The reason they can’t fix these issues is someone in leadership likely literally has Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and is quite literally incapable of acknowledging a mistake or problem. To the point they’ll inevitably torpedo the company rather than take any ownership or responsibility.

If the Board is smart, they’ll fire the person before it gets to that point - but if they were smart, they probably wouldn’t have hired the type of person to get them into this mess in the first place.

[pc86]

What is the personality disorder that makes someone with no medical training believe they can diagnose "likely" mental health disorders in Generic Executive in a company they have no direct relationship with?

[lazide]

What is the personality disorder where someone refuses to consider the possibility of something happening despite a public and long term pattern of repeated behavior which matches that possibility occurring, unless some otherwise impossible bit of evidence from an expert who has a duty to never talk to them about it weighs in?

[gosub100]

That's not really an Occam's Razor conclusion. I would say the reason is that multiple lawsuits were already filed, and to admit the gun was defective essentially means you lose all the suits overnight. At the time, they chose to ride it out because they didn't know how many of these guns were actually defective.

My guess is it was a perfect storm where the defect rate was low enough to escape their quality control but high enough (or perhaps delayed long enough, meaning it takes years for the defect to appear) to lead to a clear signal after the horse got out of the barn. Enough suits were filed that they perhaps risk bankruptcy if they lose all of them.

That's just my speculation, and seems to be more plausible than some side effect from mental illness.

[lazide]

Have you seen this? [https://x.com/sigsauerinc/status/1898099442172989921?lang=en] or this? [https://www.instagram.com/p/DG6RkWCpkdw/?img_index=1]

That was less than a year ago, and well after these issues have been escalating for years.

The co-ordinated gaslighting, projection, denial, etc. are also a clear pattern going back years as well.

The employees clearly being aware there are issues and being afraid to speak up due to internal retaliation, the lawsuits against entities merely trying to protect themselves from preventing people from carrying P320’s into their facilities until this gets figured out, etc. as well.

No one goes to this amount of effort to deny they have a problem (and control others to prevent them from acknowledging there is a problem) without an impetus like that.

I’m not saying the underlying engineering problem is a result of a mental health problem with someone in leadership. Though it likely doesn’t help!

I’m saying the market problem SIG is having (and the serious consequences of it) are due to the mishandled response to a real issue in engineering/manufacturing in a way which stinks clearly to me of NPD.

It’s the doubling down, attacking anyone who notices a real issue, gaslighting everyone, etc.

Hell, when even Brandon Herrera is telling them to fuck off due to the gaslighting?

It’s epic in this case. And NPD folks have a nasty habit of ‘taking down the ship’ as they escalate. It’s damn near the defining consequence that makes it a personality disorder.

Which SIG is definitely heading in that direction.

But hey, it looks like Gun Jesus has an opinion on it too [https://youtu.be/rjEhgXAALL8].

[gosub100]

I agree that the tone was really awful and hostile. I'd give the company a 50% or less chance of recovering from this.

A few months ago I read a story about a woman who worked at sig and was sexually harassed by her boss and was demoted and fired. I can't remember if she was involved (as a witness) in an injury lawsuit about the P320 or what, but reading her story made me remove any possible sympathy I could have for her. Makes me sad I bought my P365 even though it's a great weapon.

[cypherpunks01]

> "In a company of our size, would anyone ever believe that there was a real issue going on, and we wouldn’t address it?"

*awkward silence*

[andrewflnr]

> someone in leadership likely literally has Narcissistic Personality Disorder

What a wild, unjustified claim. Not every arrogant fool has NPD. If you want to throw that claim around you best be ready to cite the clinical definition.

[lazide]

The clinical definition where someone is unable to recognize any fault or problem in their behavior to the point of severe pathology, and delusion, including attacking or manipulating others?

Have you seen the press releases and lawsuits? It’s quite literally crazy what they’re doing.

[andrewflnr]

The actions of the company are irrational. That's not remotely the question.

[lazide]

And executives set the culture of a company, and someone with the described personality characteristics are particularly prone to enforce that type of behavior on an entire companies culture.

I’ve seen it play out quite clearly before in person.

Why work so hard to continue to avoid the actual issue and clearly present behaviors and facts?

Or do you think such persistent and blatant pathological behavior just happens naturally from otherwise well adjusted executives acting in good faith?

[andrewflnr]

And clearly since you've seen it play out that way, there are no other possible situations that could result in similar behavior. The possibility that a public admission of fault could play a role in ongoing or future lawsuits definitely doesn't have anything to do with it. Nope, only one conceivable motivation for hiding the truth, which is conveniently located in a single guy, who is definitely not just a run-of-the-mill arrogant fool.