[lazide]

The clinical definition where someone is unable to recognize any fault or problem in their behavior to the point of severe pathology, and delusion, including attacking or manipulating others?

Have you seen the press releases and lawsuits? It’s quite literally crazy what they’re doing.

[andrewflnr]

The actions of the company are irrational. That's not remotely the question.

[lazide]

And executives set the culture of a company, and someone with the described personality characteristics are particularly prone to enforce that type of behavior on an entire companies culture.

I’ve seen it play out quite clearly before in person.

Why work so hard to continue to avoid the actual issue and clearly present behaviors and facts?

Or do you think such persistent and blatant pathological behavior just happens naturally from otherwise well adjusted executives acting in good faith?

[andrewflnr]

And clearly since you've seen it play out that way, there are no other possible situations that could result in similar behavior. The possibility that a public admission of fault could play a role in ongoing or future lawsuits definitely doesn't have anything to do with it. Nope, only one conceivable motivation for hiding the truth, which is conveniently located in a single guy, who is definitely not just a run-of-the-mill arrogant fool.

[lazide]

I take it you haven’t actually read the linked posts from SIG? Read them and then tell me I’m wrong.

No lawyer or PR person in their right mind would EVER okay that type of response. And with the facts as we know them coming out, those responses were deeply pathological.

[andrewflnr]

You know, I actually hadn't, but they were nothing I didn't expect. Of course they were lying. Lots of people without NPD lie. They were in a hole, and they thought digging was their best way out. Playing on fears of gun-grabbing is a plausible if clumsy angle to take. If their design had been less borked, they might even have gotten away with it. That's why lots of unethical but otherwise grounded PR types have historically okay'd this kind of thing.

You can debate whether they're still "in their right mind" by your preferred definition, but it's increasingly preposterous to say their behavior is evidence of an executive with NPD. This is just not that special, dude. People are just like this.

[lazide]

Uh huh, sure. Definitely nothing particularly spectacular here at all.

How many gun companies have had this level of scandal again? The only one I can think of is Taurus in the 80’s.

Doesn’t sound normal at all, actually.

What really amuses me about these kinds of conversations is how invested people are in insisting that when it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, is at the pond with the ducks, and looks like a duck - it totally isn’t a duck, because… I don’t know. They don’t like ducks? Or ducks are boring?