[fusslo]

I've been thinking about this lately.

While we engineers understand how to judge and evaluate AI solutions, I am not sure Business Owners (BO) care.

BO's are ok with a certain percentage of bugs/rework/inefficiency/instability. And the tradeoff of eliminating (or marginalizing) Engineering may be worth the increased percentage of unfavorable outcomes.

[ponector]

>>While we engineers understand how to judge and evaluate AI solutions

Usually no one really care. Target is to close a ticket, not to make a good software.

"Works fine on my machine" - heard this many times. But user don't have a beefy m4 pro machine with ultra fast fiber. No one care.

[fusslo]

Yeah but the ‘works fine on my machine’ is usually said by jr/inept devs

I havent heard that around serious engineers

[readthenotes1]

Isn't that the no true Scotsman fallacy?

I'm overjoyed that you only encountered serious "engineers".

My professional experience is that at least 3/4 of the people riding software should not be because they write horrible code horribly.

But since I live in a place where you have to pass licensing exams to call yourself an "engineer", Maybe my experience is different than yours

[fusslo]

Hi, you did not understand what I wrote.

> I'm overjoyed that you only encountered serious "engineers".

Nowhere did I say this. At all. I said I havent heard 'works on my machine' said by serious engineers. That does not mean that I have ONLY met serious engineers.

[ponector]

Their title and salary are serious, though.

[nunez]

Precisely. Businesses are okay with bugs if it helps them enter a market faster or stave off competition. Bug fixes are mostly considered maintainancd which is outsourced or "cost-optimized"

[evklein]

Probably depends on BO/stakeholder as well. B2B solution that has a low risk of killing anyone? Maybe fuck it, let the model have its way.

Technology that controls software that keeps people alive, controls infrastructure, etc., uhhhh I don't think so. I guess we're just waiting for the first news story of someone's pacemaker going haywire and shocking them to death because the monitoring code was vibed through to production.

[yencabulator]

Think more business risk than risk to humans.

B2B AI LLM vibe-SaaS that has a 10% chance to become profitable and a 10% chance to gift away all money invested into the business ever while leaving founders on the receiving end of 100 lawsuits.

[fusslo]

Isn't the sector for software that is life-critical really small? medical devices, and maybe some control software? Oh and probably defense too

I don't feel much better ( as someone who has spent their career in consumer electronics )

[evklein]

> Isn't the sector for software that is life-critical really small?

I think it's large. Think about the software that goes into something like air travel - ATC, weather tracking, the actual control software for the aircraft... I am aware that nothing is perfect, but I'd at least like to know that a person wrote those things who could be held accountable.

[ponector]

But how many people are there? Comparing to 100k in Meta? To millions from Indian body shops?