[rsoto2]

Israel is not the target of a terrorist group. It is a terrorist state subjugating a trapped population to forced starvation and hunger. It's a second holocaust live streamed to your phone and you still think they are acting rationally.

Oppressed people have the right to violence just because they're brown doesn't make them "terrorists," that's actually quite the racist worldview.

[lenerdenator]

> Israel is not the target of a terrorist group.

Most would disagree, not the least of which are people in that region. Hamas does not have many friends outside of Iran because most governments in the region see them as a destabilizing force. And they are. The

> It is a terrorist state subjugating a trapped population to forced starvation and hunger.

They are using tactics that, if put up to scrutiny in a trial in an international court of law, would probably be considered war crimes and crimes against humanity. The same would probably be true of Hamas' tactics on October 7th, 2023.

> Oppressed people have the right to violence just because they're brown doesn't make them "terrorists," that's actually quite the racist worldview.

Ultimately you have two Semitic peoples - Palestinians and Jews - who want to establish an ethnostate in what used to be Mandatory Palestine. Both have some ancestral title to at least some of the region. Quite a few Jewish subgroups, like Sephardic and Mizrahi Jews, would be considered "brown", to borrow your term.

The way forward will require both parties to recognize each other's right to at least some of the land. It's worth noting that this has not been, and still is not, a view held by either party's governments.

[halflife]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_...

Would you say that this list is incorrect? Or that any attack on civilians in Israel is justified and thus not a terrorist attack?

[rsoto2]

Do you think Israel was created through peace or through zionist bombing attacks? Do you think only the brown bombers should be labelled terrorists?

You sound racist and like you're ok enabling the killing of children. As a doctor Tarek Loubani reported today "I've been to many wars, it has never felt like the war is against children"

[halflife]

Before the state of Israel, Jewish groups were bombing British mandate offices. Not civilians, and definitely not on purpose. But I’m trying to understand your logic. Attacking innocent civilians is legitimate if your goal is to establish a state?

And BTW, you don’t know me personally, ad hominem attacks just weaken your argument

[oa335]

Do you believe these events were terrorist attacks?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sunday_(1937)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balad_al-Shaykh_massacre

https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=zzFlAAAAIBAJ&sjid=MIkN...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cast_Thy_Bread

[halflife]

Well yeah, the 30s and 40s were a horrible time of terror attacks from both groups against each other.

[oa335]

> Before the state of Israel, Jewish groups were bombing British mandate offices. Not civilians, and definitely not on purpose.

Why did you make this assertion?

And what makes them terrorist attacks?

[cogman10]

No, you see, it's not terror when the bomb falls from a jet fighter or a drone /s.

[monocasa]

Or when it's biological warfare on civilians for the purpose of depopulation either apparently.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cast_Thy_Bread

[rsoto2]

Is killing a child terrorism? Because israel has killed over 18000 in the last few years.

[halflife]

You didn’t answer my question

[cogman10]

I can fully grant the list as accurate and even undercounting the number of attacks that have happened.

It, frankly, pales in comparison to the number of civilians the IDF has killed and is currently killing. No amount of terrorist attacks can justify starving a population or dropping bombs on the tents of refuges.

Like, I'm sorry, but an attack in 2024 that injures 20 people and an attack in 2023 that kills 1000 is simply not comparable. There are literally 1000s dying weekly right now in gaza. The IDF is daily shooting starving children that go to the Israel's ran aid sites.

Israel does not have the right to commit genocide.

[halflife]

The OP said that Israel is not a target of terror attacks.

[albumen]

Yes, very good, OP's wrong and you're right.

Now, if you'd address the 8,000,000lb elephant in the room that would be great.

[cogman10]

Sure, I don't agree with that assessment, but I get where it comes from.

I find the "what-about"ism somewhat tiring at this point. What Israel is currently doing is unconscionable.

This is really not unlike trying to criticize the war crimes committed during the Warsaw uprising or the actions of John Brown. Were they wrong? Yes. Were they understandable? Absolutely. Bringing them up whenever someone brings up the actions of the Nazis or the slave owners is what's problematic. It tries to strip away the humanity of people that are being slaughtered in order to justify the slaughtering.

[halflife]

I pointed out the error in his post, everybody else is “what-about”ing at me in response.

[cogman10]

K.

Did you need to point out that error? You can see why we'd read your response as running cover for a state actively committing genocide, right?

[zapataband2]

There's no error in my post. "terrorism" is a political racist term mainly used to benefit white colonial powers and label freedom movements as below their oppressors.

I don't think brown people trying to save themselves from a concentration camp are terrorists, therefore the terrorist state of israel is not the target of a terrorist group. In fact how could they be when it is them that are invading Gaza for 40+ years.

I know you're not this stupid, you're just racist.

[alangibson]

This is whataboutism. Either address the parent comment or go away.

[halflife]

How is this whataboutism? He said that Israel is not a target of terror attacks. In response I provided a list of terror attacks against Israel, this is exactly on topic

[alangibson]

You don't have to convince me that you don't get it. I believe you. I'm not here to change your mind. I'm calling what you say out for the benefit of others.

[chimineycricket]

It's whataboutism because the statement also included that Israel is a terrorist state. By giving a list of attacks on Israel as a rebuttal, you are saying Israel is not a terrorist state because it's been attacked by Hamas. Do you see how silly that sounds? Since Hamas is a terrorist group for all of its viscousness, Israel must be as well, because the viciousness of Israel is more than 10 times that of Hamas.

[rsoto2]

self determination, through-violence*