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by halflife 309 days ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_...

Would you say that this list is incorrect? Or that any attack on civilians in Israel is justified and thus not a terrorist attack?

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Do you think Israel was created through peace or through zionist bombing attacks? Do you think only the brown bombers should be labelled terrorists?

You sound racist and like you're ok enabling the killing of children. As a doctor Tarek Loubani reported today "I've been to many wars, it has never felt like the war is against children"

Before the state of Israel, Jewish groups were bombing British mandate offices. Not civilians, and definitely not on purpose. But I’m trying to understand your logic. Attacking innocent civilians is legitimate if your goal is to establish a state?

And BTW, you don’t know me personally, ad hominem attacks just weaken your argument

Well yeah, the 30s and 40s were a horrible time of terror attacks from both groups against each other.
> Before the state of Israel, Jewish groups were bombing British mandate offices. Not civilians, and definitely not on purpose.

Why did you make this assertion?

And what makes them terrorist attacks?

No, you see, it's not terror when the bomb falls from a jet fighter or a drone /s.
Or when it's biological warfare on civilians for the purpose of depopulation either apparently.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cast_Thy_Bread

Is killing a child terrorism? Because israel has killed over 18000 in the last few years.
You didn’t answer my question
I can fully grant the list as accurate and even undercounting the number of attacks that have happened.

It, frankly, pales in comparison to the number of civilians the IDF has killed and is currently killing. No amount of terrorist attacks can justify starving a population or dropping bombs on the tents of refuges.

Like, I'm sorry, but an attack in 2024 that injures 20 people and an attack in 2023 that kills 1000 is simply not comparable. There are literally 1000s dying weekly right now in gaza. The IDF is daily shooting starving children that go to the Israel's ran aid sites.

Israel does not have the right to commit genocide.

The OP said that Israel is not a target of terror attacks.
Yes, very good, OP's wrong and you're right.

Now, if you'd address the 8,000,000lb elephant in the room that would be great.

Sure, I don't agree with that assessment, but I get where it comes from.

I find the "what-about"ism somewhat tiring at this point. What Israel is currently doing is unconscionable.

This is really not unlike trying to criticize the war crimes committed during the Warsaw uprising or the actions of John Brown. Were they wrong? Yes. Were they understandable? Absolutely. Bringing them up whenever someone brings up the actions of the Nazis or the slave owners is what's problematic. It tries to strip away the humanity of people that are being slaughtered in order to justify the slaughtering.

I pointed out the error in his post, everybody else is “what-about”ing at me in response.
K.

Did you need to point out that error? You can see why we'd read your response as running cover for a state actively committing genocide, right?

Yeah I did. I have friends that lost family from these terror attacks. Twice while on a date with my wife at our local bar we had to flee because of a Palestinian started shooting random people in the street. I had the luck to have a birthday party cancelled at this location on this date https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphinarium_discotheque_bom...

So having a random person on the internet explicitly lying about these experiences and having other people upvoting him kind of grinds my gears.

There's no error in my post. "terrorism" is a political racist term mainly used to benefit white colonial powers and label freedom movements as below their oppressors.

I don't think brown people trying to save themselves from a concentration camp are terrorists, therefore the terrorist state of israel is not the target of a terrorist group. In fact how could they be when it is them that are invading Gaza for 40+ years.

I know you're not this stupid, you're just racist.

But you said that Israel is a terrorist state, so that isn’t political? Which is it?
This is whataboutism. Either address the parent comment or go away.
How is this whataboutism? He said that Israel is not a target of terror attacks. In response I provided a list of terror attacks against Israel, this is exactly on topic
You don't have to convince me that you don't get it. I believe you. I'm not here to change your mind. I'm calling what you say out for the benefit of others.
It's whataboutism because the statement also included that Israel is a terrorist state. By giving a list of attacks on Israel as a rebuttal, you are saying Israel is not a terrorist state because it's been attacked by Hamas. Do you see how silly that sounds? Since Hamas is a terrorist group for all of its viscousness, Israel must be as well, because the viciousness of Israel is more than 10 times that of Hamas.