[mdaniel]

I didn't dig through the infinite scroll (ironic on a page about designs) but I'm surprised more than half of them weren't dedicated to obfuscating the prices, as has been the vast majority of my experience with trying to figure out how much money I need to give anyone

<font size=small>call us</font>

<h3>let's talk!</h3>

or my other pet peeve https://lucidic.ai/#:~:text=Get%20started%20for%20free aka don't worry about it until you like it!

[Terretta]

WITHOUT ever speaking to anyone on the phone or by email, you can scale even $1M a month and get auto-scaled (very deep) discounts with big providers like AWS who certainly have enough "enterprise sales" to waste everyone's time on the phone, suggesting there's no good reason to make anyone talk to your SaaS if they don't have to.

If they have to, because they don't know how to use what they buy, that's one thing. But don't force a call to, let's say, sign in with OIDC or turn on audit logs.

[yread]

Yeah, I'm looking for some GRC compliance software and there are so many vendor with pricing page that just has 3 columns of Call us! Why even bother?

[bluGill]

They bother because they don't want competitors to price match or beat their prices. if the prices (and changes are hard to learn about they think they can compete better). I'm not sure if it is worth it - many do go elsewhere to find clear pricing, but they think it matters.

[dylan604]

It also means that the price isn't fixed, and that a good negotiator might be able to get a lower price than someone else. The whole "call us" also typically lowers the noise on the vendor's end as well. Anyone willing to take time out to contact them would be a much better chance of closing a sale. They are what would be known as the "good leads". If you're a user and researching multiple vendors with similar services/products/apps that have decent $$$ attached, you'd be a fool to not contact and only pay the price on the tin.

[kelnos]

I agree with you entirely on the possibility of being able to save money by calling and negotiating, but if I'm evaluating two options, and one shows me pricing and lets me sign up without talking to anyone, and the other will require a phone call, I will most likely not be calling and giving that company any money.

This is, of course, one of the many reasons why I don't run a large, VC-scale business. I don't have the patience or desire to play these sorts of games.

[sturadnidge]

I agree re: quality of leads, but also wonder how many sales are lost to competitors _with_ advertised pricing purely because the user didn't want the hassle of talking to sales (maybe not purely, but you get the gist).

[dylan604]

Depending on the business, that could be a customer you wouldn't want anyways. Customers looking solely for lowest price tend to be nightmare customers that would in the long run be more expensive as a customer than just not having them as a customer at all.

Companies that seek to convert every single potential sale and feel a non-sale is a net loss tend to be the companies that I as a potential customer do not want to be a customer of. They tend to have shite customer support anyways.

At the end of the day, the "contact us" pricing clearly is not something that ends companies, otherwise nobody would use it.

[kelnos]

I'm confused; you seem to be arguing opposite things. A few comments above, you say:

> ["Call for pricing"] also means that the price isn't fixed, and that a good negotiator might be able to get a lower price than someone else.

But you also say:

> [A potential customer who doesn't want to talk to sales] could be a customer you wouldn't want anyways. Customers looking solely for lowest price tend to be nightmare customers...

So the potential customer who does call for pricing -- possibly with the intent to negotiate that price down -- is also potentially that nightmare customer who is just looking for the lowest price and will be a drag on your time and resources.

To me, the potential customer who just wants to get started without needing to suffer through a call with a sales person... well, that customer sounds at least as likely to be someone who will be a nice, quiet customer who uses your product and doesn't call or write in with inane complaints and issues all the time.

I don't think this is a good signal. I do agree that a potential customer who calls is probably more likely to sign up, but it's still an extra barrier to customer acquisition, no matter how you slice it.

[infecto]

Good negotiator would need leverage and in most cases that won’t exist for a product that understands its own value well. These are priced on value, the call us definitely lowers the noise but it has more to do with the target demo being enterprise large customer deals. Not providing pricing gives sales the ability to try to price it for value to capture maximum margin.

[Dead_Lemon]

It is most definitely about the products sales team sizing up the potential client and how much they can get the client to pay, based on the company size and turn over. It's possible for the client to negotiate, but the product sales team have jack up the price way over their internal list price, so any client savings is only a fallacy

[bluGill]

> good negotiator might be able to get a lower price than someone else.

A good negotiator is worried about more than price. There is quality, time to get the product, support. An lot of other things on those lines that I can't think of at the moment too. A good negotiator knows what is important to them and how to make the best trade off for their situation. Sometimes a good negotiator will offer more than the asking price because they know those others are important and if the company goes out of business they get none of them (this is rare, but it is sometimes needed).

[bluGill]

That depends - I've seen contact us pricing on things that are cheap at walmart. They are losing money on every sale because the time for someone on the phone is more than gross profit (not net)

[yread]

I get that they don't want to show the price. But why have 3 tiers then? The sales person will have to explain the differences anyway again during the call

[pc86]

They do have "contact sales" as a filter option which is nice if you're looking for examples of that. It only has one (not that great IMO) example though.

[finniansturdy]

Agreed, some got dropped so will be addressing this! Appreciate the comment