[the_real_cher]

I hate when 'the media' blames offshoring and outsourcing on A.I.

Microsoft just laid off thousands and yet are still hiring thousands of H1Bs.

Just one example.

The majority of Adobes jobs on their career page are for foreign workers.

A.I. is misdirection

[ProllyInfamous]

>laid off thousands and yet are still hiring thousands of H1Bs

http://www.h1bdata.info

It shocked me to learn my midsized Southern city (<0.5M MSA) has 1762 H1B jobs, ostensibly because there aren't any qualified Americans; the most common complaint I hear from my peers is that "there aren't enough tech jobs here" when the reality is over 1% of our workforce is underpaid H1Bs, primarily tech field.

I don't think its hateful to want your healthy society's workforce to be made up of citizens, whatever those criteria be determined.

>A.I. is misdirection

It is playing a most useful role for idiots.

[the_real_cher]

More like 20% of the workforce.

66% in silicon valley

[apparent]

I agree that both topics should be mentioned. But is AI not the main cause here? Basically, companies no longer see the same value prop in hiring highly-paid college grads with CS degrees. What has changed is AI — not their appetite for H1Bs. Maybe AI makes their H1Bs more effective, or maybe it makes their foreign workers in low-cost jurisdictions more effective.

Either way, it's AI that's changing the calculus on whether a Georgetown grad who worked her but off to get in, and to graduate with a CS degree, has lots of highly-paid prospects.

[the_real_cher]

A.I. should be reducing non-citizens jobs as much as citizens but we're not seeing a corresponding drop in H1B's.

[fakedang]

And somehow morons downvote you for speaking the truth.

My friends in India are all doing swimmingly well with the extremely huge increase in offshoring jobs to India. While in the 2000s it was tech support and in the 2010s it was auxiliary tech workers, today it's actual engineers, UX designers, product guys, even HR and admin functions. Turns out, everything can be sent off to India and LatAm, except for sales and department heads. While previously companies would hire right away from IITs to ship them to the US, today they're content with keeping them in India and letting them work remotely.

The impact of AI in corporate jobs is actually very minimal, but the use of it as a smokescreen for downsizing is uncountable.

[gregorygoc]

Good old “the capital has no nationality”. Yeah, sure. Offshore everything, keep a bunch of stooges as “head of the heads” in the U.S. and one day wake up with entire know how transferred to wherevere-was-cheaper-at-the-time.

[only-one1701]

Bingo. This, plus Section 174, are the real stories re: job depression.

[blargey]

It would certainly be ironic if offshoring in knowledge work is accelerating just as the consequences of offshoring in manufacturing are coming to a head (well, the social and political visibility of the consequences, anyway).

Whether it's offshoring or AI-shoring, people's expectations for the long-term effects on the workforce and industry know-how sound interchangeable anyway.

[add-sub-mul-div]

"Let the bears pay the bear tax. I pay the Homer tax!"