[izacus]

That was 5 years ago and the chips themselves are much older than that. They can't skate on that forever, especially since the competition caught up.

[mg74]

Where has the competition caught up? Arent Apple's chips still by far best-in-class from the laptop down to the watch?

Its an honest question, I would love an arm based laptop running NixOS that is competitive with the upcoming M5 Pro's but I dont see it anywhere.

Case in point: Google's newest Google TV box (released this year) is an absolute turd when compared with an 8 year old 4k Apple TV box.

[izacus]

No, they're not. Competition has caught up.

And why are you bloviating about TV boxes in topic about laptop chips?

[TingPing]

The main innovation was buying all 3nm production from TSMC. Snapdragon chips on the same node perform as well.

[Jensson]

The biggest stunt Apple pulled was making people think this is Apples new CPU designs that created the performance gap and not just buying all the production capacity for next gen fabs.

We used to get that same performance gain every few years just from regular process improvements, but this time Apple made it seem like it was Apple that made the gain and not the general world.

[rogerrogerr]

Your argument would be much stronger with one single Amazon link to a non-Apple product that is competitive on price, perf, and thermals.

[rogerrogerr]

Oh great, where can I buy a non-Mac with the same performance, battery life, thermals, weight, premium materials, and a trackpad that doesn’t feel like styrofoam coated in oil?

Since you say the competition has caught up, I assume it’ll be easy to send an Amazon link to the evidence.

[izacus]

In the nearby store stocking latops, tablets and phones. Your ignorance is not reality and we're not here to feed you examples for you to move goalposts.

[rogerrogerr]

_One_ example is too much to ask for? That's pretty telling. This entire thread has not one link to a competing product, just people insisting they exist.

[worthless-trash]

Not OP but that's the thing right, you've talked a lot about feels which means there will never be an answer that overcomes the emotion built in your head.

I wonder what it would take to win you over, and i don't mean the rational you, which i'm sure you can justify, i mean the irrational 'i'm in love with the product' you.

[rogerrogerr]

It’d take these very objective things:

- 7+ hour battery life while running a bunch of Docker containers and IDEs, at the same screen brightness nits I run my MacBook at.

- Those things run not-perceptively-slower than on my Apple hardware

- No perceptible fan noise while doing the above

- The chassis does not creak when I pick it up from one corner

- Does not weigh more than double my MacBook

I’ll even relax the trackpad requirement and allow a 60Hz HiDPI screen instead of the 120Hz screen my MacBook from four years ago drives while doing all of the above.

Is there anything that can check those boxes?

[worthless-trash]

This is a much more definable list, no feels there. (I don't know.. as am not hunting for a similar option, although I probably will be in the future).

> - The chassis does not creak when I pick it up from one corner

This would be an INSTANT 'nope' from me.

[rogerrogerr]

Every Fortune 500 company I’ve worked for (three so far) has sent me a Windows “dev machine” laptop with huge RAM and an i7-whatever processor… and they all creak if you pick them up from a corner. And the screen hinges all make weird sounds.

It’s not, like, a usability concern, but it’s something I’m definitely willing to fork over a couple hundred bucks to not feel every day.

[tracerbulletx]

"A lot" being in one of six items, specifically about an element that you touch and quality is generally judged by how it feels