[bigyabai]

> why there is no "just stop fighting" option

I don't recall many people ever seriously asking for that, though I admit I'm not up-to-date on Israeli affairs. Don't the overwhelming majority of outsiders want a two-state solution, or failing that a more secular Israeli administration?

Through a lens of historical context and not just Oct 7th, it's hard for me to believe that Israelis don't know how to attain regional peace. We know exactly why Lebanon, Jordan and Syria are angry at the Israeli government, and there are simple ways to fix it if the willpower exists.

[bawolff]

> > why there is no "just stop fighting" option

> I don't recall many people ever seriously asking for that

i live in Canada, literally half a world away. Every street light pole seems to have some sort of "Ceasefire now" sticker on it. I also see similar sentiment in online threads on the topic. I think there is a significant group of people who want Israel to commit to an unconditional ceasefire in Gaza.

> We know exactly why Lebanon, Jordan and Syria are angry at the Israeli government

When people talk about this topic, they are usually referring to the conflict with Palestine.

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People are arguing for an unconditional ceasefire because innocent people and children are literally starving to death.

Many of the people arguing for ceasefire probably wouldn’t be so animated about it if that wasn’t the case, i.e. if Israel was conducting a legal war with targeted strikes. That isn’t the case.

[ivape]

Also:

https://youtube.com/shorts/MuPfkxQns1k

I don’t think it’s okay for a bunch of humans to be rallied in the middle of a desert like that. Forget the fact that they are shooting into the crowd, we’ll talk about that later. Let’s just start with not creating a ghetto in the desert and calling it a humanitarian effort.

I have not even seen movie scenes like that, maybe the opening scenes of Saving Private Ryan where the Americans were trying to hide on the beach.

[bawolff]

You're responing to me as if my comment disagreed, but i didn't say anything about the "why", just that their exists people who advocate for an unconditional ceasefire. Which i'm sure you'd agree with.

[ars]

Why are they calling for a ceasefire instead of for Hamas to surrender?

[actionfromafar]

First, maybe they still keep a sliver of hope that the Israeli state will be at least marginally morally superior to a terrorist organization.

Second, many do call for Hamas to surrender.

[ImPostingOnHN]

because an end to the ethnic cleansing is more important than waiting for surrender, if that's even possible given hamas' disrupted command structure and israel's constant creation of new terrorists

a ceasefire provides room for diplomacy that might lead to concessions from both sides for their atrocities, and thus might lead to peace and equality

we have seen in the west bank what surrender without a ceasefire or sustainable peace looks like, and it is very bad (see this article for an example)

[bawolff]

> a ceasefire provides room for diplomacy that might lead to concessions from both sides for their atrocities, and thus might lead to peace and equality

We've had something like 100 years of failed diplomacy at this point. I don't know the solution to this conflict, but i can understand why both sides suspect further diplomacy won't lead anywhere unless something fundamental changes.

[ImPostingOnHN]

I feel the same way, but that status quo is superior to ethnic cleansing and genocide.

[gopher_space]

> Through a lens of historical context and not just Oct 7th, it's hard for me to believe that Israelis don't know how to attain regional peace.

The subtext to this conflict is that every avenue leading towards a lasting peace also opens the Netanyahu regime to prosecution.

Israel isn't an ex-Soviet satellite with a dictator propped up by a cold war giant, but their actions become predictable if you think of the state as Netanyahustan.

[disgruntledphd2]

Yeah, basically the only reason they didn't keep the ceasefire is because Netanyahu would have been pushed out of power (and could therefore be tried for corruption more effectively).

But ultimately, the current government is what a (small) majority of Israelis want, which is the most depressing part of this entire conflict.

IDF service is mandatory and there appears to be no resistance to this, which supports the point above.

[7952]

But reading between the lines there are not many plausible end states. Its a choice between a return to a status quo where Israel has defended borders. Or a removal of Palestinians from the territory. I think most people in the international community would prefer the former even when they don't come out and say it. And that may reasonably be safer and better for Israeli civilians.

[ivan_gammel]

There is always possibility of foreign intervention with security guarantees for Israel. Apparently this is already on the table now.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250729-qatar-saudi-e...