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People are arguing for an unconditional ceasefire because innocent people and children are literally starving to death.

Many of the people arguing for ceasefire probably wouldn’t be so animated about it if that wasn’t the case, i.e. if Israel was conducting a legal war with targeted strikes. That isn’t the case.

[ivape]

Also:

https://youtube.com/shorts/MuPfkxQns1k

I don’t think it’s okay for a bunch of humans to be rallied in the middle of a desert like that. Forget the fact that they are shooting into the crowd, we’ll talk about that later. Let’s just start with not creating a ghetto in the desert and calling it a humanitarian effort.

I have not even seen movie scenes like that, maybe the opening scenes of Saving Private Ryan where the Americans were trying to hide on the beach.

[bawolff]

You're responing to me as if my comment disagreed, but i didn't say anything about the "why", just that their exists people who advocate for an unconditional ceasefire. Which i'm sure you'd agree with.

[ars]

Why are they calling for a ceasefire instead of for Hamas to surrender?

[actionfromafar]

First, maybe they still keep a sliver of hope that the Israeli state will be at least marginally morally superior to a terrorist organization.

Second, many do call for Hamas to surrender.

[ImPostingOnHN]

because an end to the ethnic cleansing is more important than waiting for surrender, if that's even possible given hamas' disrupted command structure and israel's constant creation of new terrorists

a ceasefire provides room for diplomacy that might lead to concessions from both sides for their atrocities, and thus might lead to peace and equality

we have seen in the west bank what surrender without a ceasefire or sustainable peace looks like, and it is very bad (see this article for an example)

[bawolff]

> a ceasefire provides room for diplomacy that might lead to concessions from both sides for their atrocities, and thus might lead to peace and equality

We've had something like 100 years of failed diplomacy at this point. I don't know the solution to this conflict, but i can understand why both sides suspect further diplomacy won't lead anywhere unless something fundamental changes.

[ImPostingOnHN]

I feel the same way, but that status quo is superior to ethnic cleansing and genocide.