[stelonix]

It is not specific to right wing grifters. Left wing grifters use the same talking points but with a different reason behind. Yet they want to censor the same products: one group based on puritanism & moralism while the other based on feminism & LGBT rights. Both extremes want the same thing.

[myko]

Reading this it seems to equate feminism and LGBTQ rights with extremism, which doesn't feel correct at all

[Terr_]

Are there any examples where someone got "de-banked" or "de-payment-processored" because of misogynistic (but legal) content?

Two different people might both want $100 from you, but that isn't enough for an equivalence: I'm sure you'll agree there's an enormous practical difference between the one that does/doesn't think "knife stabs" are a valid tactic. Or even just between two where only one owns a knife.

[zahlman]

> Are there any examples where someone got "de-banked" or "de-payment-processored" because of misogynistic (but legal) content?

You don't even have to express misogynistic ideas to attract that kind of attention; you only need to question the current mode of politically correct thought.

They tried to prevent the distribution of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatred_(video_game) , and were temporarily successful.

For that matter:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_controversial_video_ga...

> [Super Seducer] came under fire by a number of video game critics; one described it as the "world's sleaziest game",[37] and another criticized the game for "normalizing rape culture"[38] Prior to its release, the game had its crowdfunding campaign suspended by Kickstarter. According to its press release, this was due to "inappropriate content, including but not limited to offensive or pornographic material", and "spamming or abusive behavior, offering rewards in violation of Kickstarter's rules."[39][40]

This is absurd characterization of the gameplay, but the entire concept of "pick-up artistry" causes strong prejudice.

Literal debanking etc., I wouldn't know. I haven't kept tabs on these kinds of stories for many years.

That said, Collective Shout is explicitly arguing that the porn content they're trying to censor via these tactics is inherently misogynistic.

And it wasn't, as far as I can tell, right-wing groups complaining about the Senran Kagura series several years back, either the games or the anime. Just look at the domain names that come up in searches if you try to look that one up; you don't get conservative forums, but you do get ResetEra and VICE, along with the usual "gaming news" rags.

[jennyholzer]

I don't think it makes sense to label either group of grifters based on stated political affiliation; These groups are linked because they are both grifters.

The politics are just a costume that ingratiates the grifter with their target market.

[AlexandrB]

I don't get why they're being called grifters. These groups - both left and right - probably genuinely believe this stuff is harmful and are following their beliefs to their logical conclusion. I don't think companies should bow to such pressure, but that doesn't make them "grifters".

"Grifter" seems like the new shorthand for "person I don't like".

[benoau]

The grift is they are asserting a power and authority over everyone else that is not warranted. That's why they sabotaged Valve, Itch.io and adult content creators using the payment networks instead of taking them on in court or at the legislative level where they would face many hurdles coercing them to their will.

[zahlman]

> The grift is they are asserting a power and authority over everyone else that is not warranted.

I understand "grift" to mean more or less what the dictionary says (e.g. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/grift). I fail to see how that connects to the behaviour you describe.

[holsta]

> Both extremes want the same thing.

Citation needed. The 'extreme' feminism & LGBT tends to revolve around identical pay, being able to walk down the street without getting assaulted or being able to work without being harassed or discriminated against.

[pseudo0]

Feminist groups also regularly try to get games banned from Steam, typically for sexism or violence against women. Eg.

> Women in Games CEO Dr Marie-Claire Isaaman has called on Valve to “act urgently” and remove the game from Steam, saying the game’s content “is not only vile and dangerous, but also actively promotes the dehumanisation of women and girls.”

https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/women-in-games-call...

[AlexandrB]

They also try to ban books that disagree with their beliefs: https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/amazon-will-not-remo...

[holsta]

> In “Irreversible Damage,” Abigail Shrier argues youth are being “fast-tracked” into medical transition — a claim experts say isn’t true and harms trans youth.

Anti-trans activities is the fascist agenda. Fascism should always be stopped. Saving democracy and lives of transpeople by stopping fascists is not controversial in any way.

[holsta]

When you start digging past their marketing material, you quickly discover that these organisations are just right-wing fronts, against trans-people, against abortion.

Here's a 38 minute video that walks through some of the recent major incidents.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmHHnPLllUk

Feminists would not campaign to take down games (with zero sexual content) about queer lives made by queer people.

[zahlman]

Who gets to decide who is or isn't a "feminist"?

Why should feminism be incompatible with right-wing politics?

How do I know what is or isn't a legitimate feminist position, given that the list apparently constantly changes over time?

I am constantly told that there are many different kinds of feminism and that my various complaints about feminism — based on actual interactions I've personally had with feminists — are not valid because they don't generalize across the whole thing (even if I point at well-known, established feminist literature and critiques thereof). Yet I also constantly see groups of self-identified feminists point at each other and try to claim that the others don't actually count as feminists because they disagree about some other issue.

I assume you accept the validity of more than two genders. Will you accept the validity of more than two kinds of political position?

[zahlman]

>The 'extreme' feminism & LGBT tends to revolve around

There are countless statements from feminist authority figures that are impossible to reconcile with this claim. But HN is not the place to have this argument, or even to attempt to turn it into a discussion; and elsewhere on the Internet, I have repeatedly seen people persecuted as misogynists simply for collating such evidence.

[Forgeties79]

It’s very easy to make everyone you agree with sound incredibly reasonable when you don’t have to give any examples of when they showed their true colors.

[zahlman]

If this wasn't your point, perhaps you should consider how this applies to holsta's comment.