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by Lex-2008 338 days ago
Let's start with an extreme example: each day more people die in traffic accidents, than by falling from a 10-story building. But still, we all can agree that driving a car is safer than falling from a building.

Why? Because driving a car you get more chance to get to your destination safely than falling from a building. ChatGPT estimates 0.01% chance to die in car accident per year, when driving every day, and 90-99% to die when falling from a building, once.

However, since there are many millions of people who drive a car every day, multiplying very little chance to die in car crash by millions of people, we get thousands of traffic-related death per day. Compare that to single-digit number of people falling from buildings, even if all of them die from it.

Back to Covid, let's imagine a village with simple numbers like this:

10 people were NOT vaccinated, 100 people WERE vaccinated.

Of 10 people who were NOT vaccinated, all 10 got hospitalized.

Of 100 people who WERE vaccinated, 20 got hospitalized.

_Correct_ way to look at this village would be:

ALL people who were NOT vaccinated, got hospitalized - 100% hospitalization rate.

But among those who WERE vaccinated, only 20% got hospitalized.

Hence, it's better to be vaccinated - this way you'll get 80% chance of not being hospitalized :)

I'm not a real statistician, and don't have actual numbers on hand, but situation with real world numbers is similar: among people who were vaccinated, less percent were hospitalized than among those who were not. It's just that we had so many many vaccinated people, that their small hospitalization rate, when multiplied by total number of vaccinated people, outweighs number of not-vaccinated and hospitalized people.

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Yep, pretty much this. More information found by searching for "base rate fallacy" or just the Wikipedia page for it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_rate_fallacy

Cool. I didn't know the effect of the vaccine is so poor, that you now need to account for statistical biases to see its effect at all. That's less than what i was told, and I'm not happy.

Honestly what a shit vaccine. Measles and Tetanus vax did better.

Cool, so your question was in bad faith, you were not at all prepared to learn, have wasted our time, and you still don't understand anything about the base rate fallacy.

Honestly, what a shit comment.

You did educate me, just not in the way you intended. I thought vaccinated people don't end up at the hospital. Zero. Apparently i was lied to.
You must be a liar or willfully ignorant to say that after the entirety of 2019-2021 happened. The efficacy of vaccines in general and specifically of the various Covid-19 vaccines have been talked about ad nauseam. No even merely scientifically literate person has said that the Covid-19 vaccines (or any vaccine for that matter) are 100% effective.

It's so weird how people will close their eyes for basic science to virtue signal to their group. I sincerely hope you open your mind and prevent your virtue signaling from killing you (or anyone you know) in the next pandemic.

> No even merely scientifically literate person has said that the Covid-19 vaccines (or any vaccine for that matter) are 100% effective.

I can't argue that. I think its a "true scotsman" situation. If i quote the WHO[1] on this, you might just say they are not literate enough.

Take note that they say "Immunity" instead of "Efficacy", that is because it was the knowledge in 2020.

[1] https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/her...

The rest of your post are personal attacks that do not add to your point.