[vitonsky]

Yeah, Matrix UX is disgusting in every aspect.

Every client looks bad, works slow and most of them have only subset of features.

At 2025 year I still can't see online status when I use most popular server and client.

When I use SDK as a developer, *I can't use encryption* for bots. I've created issue about it over year ago https://github.com/turt2live/matrix-bot-sdk/issues/363 and maintainer just closed it as not planned to fix.

Matrix Protocol is overcomplicated and ridiculous. As I understood, the reason of mentioned problem with lack of "online status" feature is a high network load that yields by presence status feature, so server owners just disable this feature.

It is ridiculous that messenger who state it is "privacy focused" - can't handle encryption for bots and sell us idea that it's fine to log-in in my account on random site on internet. Because any site where i enter my password and secret key, may steal my password.

The same thing with applications. "Reference implementation" of app is an Electron app that loads javascript from internet and may inject malware anytime.

My impression is that Matrix is a scam to spy over people who blindly believe in security, like a Telegram does.

[udev4096]

The last statement is totally uncalled for. Yes, matrix is not convenient and given it's far from ideal chat experience but that doesn't mean you are allowed to spread FUD. Matrix spec, clients, homeservers, etc are fully open source. No one is "scamming" anyone

[j45]

No horses in this race for or against the Matrix group, but convenience, adoptability is a fair factor to look at in software, especially collaboration and interaction based software.

[udev4096]

It's gaining traction. Matrix will prevail, sooner or later. Don't give up on it just yet

[josteink]

The year of the Matrix desktop?

[vitonsky]

Matrix community scam everyone when claim a matrix is a privacy-focused. And you are part of this community who deceive people. The fact that anything is open source is not make it "privacy focused".

Literally everything in Matrix is designed against privacy and security. Check issue I mention above. The product that is "privacy focused" would never have such type of problems that will force developers to say that lack of encryption for chats is a minor problem that will not be fixed.

[Arathorn]

your issue is complaining that matrix-bot-sdk can’t exfiltrate encryption keys which predate it joining a room? this feels like a pretty reasonable limitation. if you really need this, use matrix-rust-sdk with MSC4268 enabled.

[vitonsky]

No, as i wrote in issue title and explained twice in this thread, the problem is bot SDK does not support encryption. It must work by default, for "privacy focused" application. Chat with no encryption must be an option, not default.

Matrix protocol is over-complicated, as consequence any SDK and even clients are over-complicated too, that eventually makes any interaction with Matrix is difficult, unpleasant, and error-prone.

Matrix design is error-prone by its nature:

Keys exchange confuses many users, I had many questions of people who are not programmer.

Matrix encourage login at random sites who up their web client, that is critical security problem.

But a Matrix fans are blind to a problems. This is why I don't believe Matrix will transform from marginal chat for freaks to a mainstream chat where people talk. So eventually, Matrix is a platform where Matrix fans talks about Matrix and send porn to each other.

[Arathorn]

matrix-bot-sdk does support encryption: https://turt2live.github.io/matrix-bot-sdk/tutorial-encrypti...

[vitonsky]

Check discussion in GitHub issue https://github.com/turt2live/matrix-bot-sdk/issues/363

Quote > Decryption of messages in encrypted rooms always end with error `Error: Can't find the room key to decrypt the event`

Maintainer action is "turt2live closed this as not planned on May 10, 2024"

It's all you need to know about a goals of Matrix and its success.