[Aurornis]

> You add a lot of complexity for marginal gains. Peak time you get maybe 500W which doesn't go very far.

The complexity should not be overlooked. The PV panels add a lot of things that can fail: An additional layer that must be adhered or fastened the roof. Transparent panel covers that can become damaged in ways that aren’t as easy to repair as a rock chip in paint. Extra wiring that runs into the vehicle. A charging regulator. Systems to monitor that it’s all working and give the appropriate diagnostic codes if it fails.

Having worked on a lot of older and newer cars when I was younger, I’ve come to appreciate a degree of simplicity in vehicles. Modern electronics and vehicle systems are more reliable, but when the number of motors, sensors, and functions in a car goes up by 10X with all of the new features, a lot of little things start to fail in annoying ways as cars age out.

With solar I imagine old car owners would just ignore the system when it stopped working, but you’re still hauling all of that extra weight around for the lifetime of the car. That extra weight subtracts from your efficiency.

[secabeen]

The simplicity of EVs is one of their big strengths! Compare all the cooling, transmission, lubrication and fuel systems of an ICE car to the simple Electric Motor of an EV. Vastly simpler. As an end user, I see it to, my EV has no scheduled maintenance, whereas the ICE wants me to take it to the dealer every 20k miles.

[MisterTea]

Mechanically simple, yes. Electronically simple, no.

[jcgl]

But most of that electronic complexity is just as present in ICEs as in EVs, no? It’s not like most of it is in the drivetrain. All those auxiliary systems.

[MisterTea]

> All those auxiliary systems.

That's the problem. I don't need or want any of that extra nonsense. You can't replace the radio in these contraptions. The only thing a car needs is: drive-line control, braking/ABS/ESP, steering, HVAC. Electronics wise dump the lame glued on tablet look and just give me a single up front dash display and a double DIN cutout in the dash. HVAC only needs knobs. I hope a Chinese auto maker comes out with an EV that dumps all of this stupidity and just gives us cars again.

[secabeen]

Backup cameras (and the associated display in the dash) are a significant safety improvement. I wouldn't want to buy a car without one at this point, despite the increase in tech that it necessitates.

[jcgl]

Right, I agree. But the context was about the differences between ICE BEV. And they, afaik, have comparable bells and whistles.

[zdp7]

Take a look at https://www.slate.auto

[WorldMaker]

To be fair, modern PV cells are purely solid state (no moving parts, no lubricants or coolants), so a solar system shouldn't add a scheduled maintenance burden, just add to potential unscheduled maintenance costs in worst case scenarios.