[reliabilityguy]

> Before 1945 were there no "countries"?

There were. They had their own government, and were able to have relationships with other countries.

At what point in time Palestinians had their own government and country? I’ll remind you that during the mandate there was no Jordan as well.

> Does it legitimise the invasion of someone's land? I don't think so

Jews also owned land there during the mandate, the ottomans, and even before. Is it okay to take their land?

[McDyver]

> Is it okay to take their land?

Of course not! It's not OK to take anyone's anything.

Edit: removing further comments. It would be ideal if everyone could just live in peace

[reliabilityguy]

> And that is the basis of all this fighting, why doesn't Israel stick to the initial borders they agreed to?

Palestinians do not want to stick to those borders too. They want it all to themselves. I mean, you cannot expect Israeli government to sell the idea to their people that we are going to give it to the Palestinians and let's see what happens to us, right?

[McDyver]

I had removed the comment, but you replied in the meantime. I didn't want to add further fuel to this.

But since you only picked up on that: what the Israeli government is doing to Palestinians, is exactly what you are describing, but from the other side. It's not hypothetical. It's happening. When will they stop?

[thyristan]

To be fair, the Israeli side had stopped until the Hamas reignited the conflict. Same in the Westbank, there was peace until another intifada started. Each side keeps giving the other side reasons to continue the conflict, especially when there is a long-enough period of quiet.

[McDyver]

That's exactly true, and it's very sad.

[reliabilityguy]

So, what are the actions that Palestinian government took to stop Israel? I mean, they were there to sign Oslo Accords, right? So, clearly they have a way to communicate and discuss issues to end this conflict. No?

The open secret that for some reason nobody is willing to acknowledge is that Palestinians will never accept even the borders of 1948 — for Palestinians it’s all or nothing. You won’t find even a single popular politician that is okay with peace deal for a simple reason — they do not want it.

So, what do you do?

[DiogenesKynikos]

Contrary to what you're claiming, a major point of disagreement in all the peace negotiations has been that the Palestinians want the 1967 borders,[0] while the Israelis insist on taking considerable territory beyond those borders.

0. Which you referred to as the borders of 1948.

[reliabilityguy]

> Contrary to what you're claiming, a major point of disagreement in all the peace negotiations has been that the Palestinians want the 1967 borders

Nope. They refused any deal, including the ones with a land swaps and capital in East Jerusalem.

> while the Israelis insist on taking considerable territory beyond those borders.

Israelis offered land for peace multiple times. Moreover, Israelis signed deals that were based on land for peace, e.g., Egypt. Palestinians got autonomy only to establish a "pay for slay" government-funded fund to incentivize more Palestinians to commit terrorist attacks.

[McDyver]

What I did was remove my comment :)

Obviously there is no straightforward solution, and I don't want to fuel this anymore.