[meowkit]

It wasn’t marketed that way. It was a throwaway line that became a meme at Ignite back in 2015

It was meant to convey the change in delivery model for Windows updates.

Windows 10 and 11 are the same kernel from a CI/CD perspective, just run winver and see for yourself. The Win10 and Win11 paint jobs are not something the engineers have any power over.

[gpm]

A Microsoft employee tasked with public relations declaring it so at a Microsoft event in front of the press is Microsoft marketing it that way.

[vel0city]

A Microsoft employee tasked with teaching devs how to write LiveTiles.

[gpm]

I.e. an official Microsoft representative, again, in front of the press, said it. It was repeated ad nauseam by the press and they made no attempt to correct it - in fact they went around getting the press to say similar things like "Once your device is upgraded to Windows 10, it will continue to be supported for the lifetime of the device at no cost". That's an official binding statement on the company if I ever did see one.

https://globalnews.ca/news/2135677/what-you-need-to-know-bef...

[vel0city]

> in front of the press

No. He was in front of a crowd of developers in a developer training seminar and trying to overhype the buy in of live tiles to suggest they wouldn't be deprecated.

[gpm]

Your defense here is "Microsoft made this promise in front of a different group of people than the press with different financial motives than to get people to use windows so they shouldn't be bound by it"?

a) That's absurd, that's clearly still a reason they should be bound by it

b) That it wasn't in front of the the is clearly false given press widely reported on it, if it wasn't in front of the press they couldn't have reported on it.

c) That it wasn't intended to convince people to use windows is clearly false given Microsoft's simultaneous purely public facing marketing of windows as a thing that would be supported for the lifetime of the device... Microsoft's continued endorsement of the sentiment behind the quote, and Microsoft's decision to not disavow the quote when journalists no doubt asked about it.

[vel0city]

Also, a journalist on some blog saying something isn't some official binding statement. If they wrote "gpm promised free pancakes for all hackernews posters forever" would that also be an official binding statement to hold you to? Where are my pancakes?

[gpm]

Are you seriously comparing a major national newspaper, a core and reputable component of a multi billion dollar business, to "some blog". You'd moved into bad faith arguments awhile ago but that is really beyond the pale.

Substantially the same quote is available elsewhere, it's a newspaper repeating an official position.

[vel0city]

Your main point was based on an untrue statement of "in front of the press" and attributing their writers making statements as official binding correspondence from a company and yet you say I'm making bad faith arguments. It wasn't a press event, it was a developer training session.

A newspaper repeating an official position that can't be found anywhere else other than a guy giving a talk about live tiles and other news sites like this. And yet we don't care about that he also stated live tiles weren't going away and yet that clearly wasn't true either.

And in the end even if we take an article written by someone unaffiliated with Microsoft as a contract that now binds Microsoft forever, what's "the life of the device"? The warranty period? Two years? Five years? One hundred years?

Where are my pancakes? I saw someone wrote you were going to give free pancakes. After all we have to hold people to things they never officially stated just because other unrelated people keep repeating it.