[jfoster]

The video seems honest in what way? What part of it makes you think that? The only evidence of ride discomfort that I saw was some steering wheel shuddering.

Once I saw the part where the car was being blamed for the pickup location chosen by the user, I really struggle to believe anything that's being said. Felt like they wanted to say it's not good right from the start.

[seanmcdirmid]

They constantly mentioned that their phone camera stabilization was pretty good, and that they really wanted to like this from the start (otherwise they could have just taken a normal taxi without waiting around in an outer suburb for a few hours to finally get one). I don't know what to tell you, you seem to believe that self driving cars are running around the core of these cities without safety drivers, while all I've seen so far, even from the most enthusiastic Chinese v-bloggers, are cars running in the deep suburbs and aren't really very deployed yet like Waymo is in downtown SF.

[jfoster]

You're conflating things a lot.

This started with me pointing out that the scale of Apollo Go is greater than Waymo, but then you made it about safety, which is quite a different (but still interesting) topic. Then there's this video that has been brought up in the context of safety, but seems more related to ride comfort. Ride comfort is also interesting, but different than safety.

I'm not sure we can actually have a reasonable conversation without objectively separating such topics.

I haven't looked at what the service area is, but I wouldn't assume that a downtown service area is somehow better or worse than a suburban service area, especially not without defining "better". A suburban-focused service seems like it might actually be a lot more useful than a downtown-focused service.

Back to the original point, you easily see the data yourself. The scale of Apollo Go is slightly larger than Waymo on most metrics that would seem to matter; vehicles, rides, miles, etc.