[jfoster]

You're conflating things a lot.

This started with me pointing out that the scale of Apollo Go is greater than Waymo, but then you made it about safety, which is quite a different (but still interesting) topic. Then there's this video that has been brought up in the context of safety, but seems more related to ride comfort. Ride comfort is also interesting, but different than safety.

I'm not sure we can actually have a reasonable conversation without objectively separating such topics.

I haven't looked at what the service area is, but I wouldn't assume that a downtown service area is somehow better or worse than a suburban service area, especially not without defining "better". A suburban-focused service seems like it might actually be a lot more useful than a downtown-focused service.

Back to the original point, you easily see the data yourself. The scale of Apollo Go is slightly larger than Waymo on most metrics that would seem to matter; vehicles, rides, miles, etc.