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by fldskfjdslkfj 357 days ago
Prediction: Iran will fold somewhat quickly and history will remember this as good move.
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Alternative prediction: Destabilized Iran will make another migration crisis in Europe, will divide it politically because of the rise of anti immigrant far right, and finally set the scene for a full scale european war with russia, followed by other counties on both sides.

US will be forced to join and millions of its citizen will die in WW3.

Alternate prediction: Iran - a country detested in much of the middle east - getting nuclear weapons will quickly lead to proliferation as other middle east countries feel compelled to pursue their own nuclear weapons programs to counter the threat of Iran.

This is why the west has been working to counter Iran's nuclear ambitions for decades.

Why would there be more migrants to Europe from Iran?
The same reason there were millions of refugees from Syria or Libya or Ukraine or because of any other instability in the region.

There is just no much other places for people to run when shit hits fan.

Maybe, but the EU has different policies and a different understanding of immigration now compared to say 2010-2023, right? Also those countries you mentioned are a bit closer to Europe compared to Iran.

But I’m also not sure that the situations are comparable. In the case of Ukraine which is probably most similar to Iran from an economic standpoint, had many refugees who were temporarily fleeing Russian aggression but planned to return to Ukraine. Iran, especially if/when it’s out from under sanctions has a more robust economy and geopolitical forces going for it, versus Libya or Syria, in my view.

It won’t matter what the policies are as the majority of refugees will try to get to the EU illegally.

Economy will matter only if there will be no fallout in Iran which is not guaranteed.

It will matter because they can have policies like “stricter border control” to stop legal or illegal immigration. It’s like Pakistan and how they closed their border to refugees from Iran.

> Economy will matter only if there will be no fallout in Iran which is not guaranteed.

Sure it depends on what all happens, but my point was it is different than Syria or Libya in many aspects.

>It won’t matter what the policies are as the majority of refugees will try to get to the EU illegally.

But policies directly influence people's motivation to become illegal migrants in a particular country.

"Point / Counterpoint: This War Will Destabilize the Entire Mideast and Set Off a Shockwave of Anti-Americanism VS. No It Won’t“
Iran and allies already did what they could during Gaza escalation. Their projection power is rather limited.
Noam Chomsky, "Is Iran a threat?" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdxxVxtHK2M

(... no)

A nuclear armed Iran is very definitely a threat. Much of the middle east considers Iran to be an enemy, and if Iran gets nukes, the rest of the middle east will feel compelled to follow.

The west has been working to counter Iran's ongoing nuclear weapons program for decades.

Since 1945 the United States of America never attacks countries that are actual threats, we should have learned this by now.
> "Nobody in their right mind wants iran to have nuclear weapons"

Does not sound like Chomsky is saying "no, iran isn't a threat" to me.

They'll do some symbolic attacks against the US bases in ME.

But yeah, I do think history will remember this as one of the few good things Trump does.

Exactly what I think will happen. I think it's already inevitable.

The IDF has total air superiority. The regime has very little capabilities left at all.

Okay. But then what?

In Lebanon the state is attempting to reassert itself. In Syria the rebels took control. But with no foreign boots on the ground, and no organized opposition ready to step in, what exactly is supposed to happen after the regime folds?

Iran has been bombing Israeli targets at will, including Tel Aviv. Israel doesn't even have control over their own airspace.
Russia will bump up arms shipments to Iran. We'll have no choice but to strike interior of Russia. Russia will not hit mainland US, but will attack US bases across Western Europe. This will be WW3.
Russia needs everything it can manufacture for itself to use in Ukraine, and they have already gotten everything useful there was to get from Iran, so the latter is on their own.
This absolutely will not happen. Iran has been shipping missiles & drones TO Russia, because Russia can't domestically produce enough of either to sustain their war against Ukraine.
> We'll have no choice but to strike interior of Russia.

You really believe Trump would take meaningful action against Russia? He can even make a forceful statement, let alone act.

Its actually incredible how this exact thing could have been done by any other President and half the people losing their minds about WW3 in these comments wouldn't have even logged on to comment.