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by spencerflem 377 days ago
No its not sarcasm.

And idk, but I'm just saying what I feel. I don't think its unique to this forum, more just what's going on in society.

The issues happening are not the type of thing where we can agree to disagre. There isn't a middle road. The ideologies behind it are based on hate and fear and greed. America's not going to be a democracy much longer and friends of mine are in life threatening danger.

I could not be friends with someone who supported this IRL or online.
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CapricornNoble 377 days ago
> And idk, but I'm just saying what I feel.

You are saying what you feel, but what do you think?

> The ideologies behind it are based on hate and fear and greed.

Organizations across the political spectrum manipulating the emotions of the populace is exactly how we got to this massively fragmented culture where people feel it's appropriate to hate their fellow citizens.

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spencerflem 376 days ago
Masked men are grabbing people off the streets and sending them to overseas torture camps in El Salvador with no chance of appeal.

If you think being mad at that is me being manipulated I don't know what to tell you.

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CapricornNoble 376 days ago
"Being mad" at deportations in and of itself isn't the problem. It's getting to a place, mentally, where you feel that other Americans holding a position in any way contrary to your own can only be insane and/or evil.

Something shattered after 9/11 and especially after Occupy Wall Street, where Americans went from vigorous disagreement over policy implementations despite a common culture (Monday Night Football and apple pie, etc...) to constantly "othering" what should be an in-group identity and painting people as evil incarnate.

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spencerflem 376 days ago
There's plenty of policy that I can agree to disagree on.

But this is such blantant, needless, willful cruelty.

Gleeful, even.

I've talked to someone with opinions like yours IRL before and one thing we disagreed on is that he was unable to name a single person that he considered to be 'evil'. Do you feel the same way?

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CapricornNoble 375 days ago
No, I've watched enough narcosicario execution videos to know that there are objectively evil people in the world. These two guys in particular:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Trevi%C3%B1o_Morales

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heriberto_Lazcano_Lazcano

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spencerflem 375 days ago
What would you think of people who saw the same videos and cheered it on?

Who went out of their way to enable what they were doing because they liked having a strongman?

I don't think there's any satisfying explanation for people who would do that other than:

- They live in a perceived reality that is vastly different and incompatible with mine. (Ie. insane. Or stupid if you prefer.)

Imagine people seeing those videos and deciding everyone executed were so awful that they deserved their fate and the narcosicario were heroes for administering justice. Or don't believe they're real and that the videos must have been staged or overblown.

- They see what's happening and understand it and approve anyways because they genuinely like seeing people suffer, or greedily think that the victim's suffering will improve their own life. (Ie. evil).

- Some mix of the two

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