[AlienRobot]

I don't usually say things are bloated but raytracing buttons is something I'd expect to be a parody...

And all of this just to make the whole UI white and generic.

I just want everything to look like Windows XP. I don't get it.

[mananaysiempre]

It’s almost certain to be a fairly cheap thing, at least for a GPU that can sling pixels at the gigabytes per second necessary to get smooth touch scrolling at these screen resolutions.

The demos only show a very limited array of shapes. Precompute the refraction, store the result in a texture, and the gist should be sample(blur(background), sample(refraction, point)). Probably a bit more complicated than this—I’m no magician of the kind that’s needed to devise cheap graphics tricks like this—but the computational effort should be in that ballpark. Compared to on-device language models and such, I wouldn’t be worried.

(Also, do I need to remind you of the absolute disdain directed by 95/98/Me/2000 users at the “toy” default theme of XP? And it was a bit silly, to be honest. It’s just that major software outfits don’t dare to be silly anymore, and that way lies blandness.)

[lodovic]

> It’s just that major software outfits don’t dare to be silly anymore, and that way lies blandness

Great observation! We need some of that sillyness back. Everything is all serious and corporate nowadays, even 'fun' stuff like social media or games. Even movies can't be silly anymore.

[stereolambda]

Not sure about 'serious and corporate', the big corps like to appear cute, folksy etc. and recently we even saw new Google Material Design advertised as judged more "rebellious" by focus groups. Maybe bland and toothless is just a general direction of contemporary culture and style that they follow.

Myself, I can appreciate corporate stuff presenting corporate. More truthful, feels a little less manipulative.

[Hamuko]

>It’s almost certain to be a fairly cheap thing, at least for a GPU that can sling pixels at the gigabytes per second

Okay, but what about the battery connected to the GPU? The battery in my iPhone has already degraded below 80% health in the 2.7 years I've had it, so I'd rather not waste its charge on low-contrast glass effects.

[jitl]

You’ll be able to turn them off with “reduce transparency” setting like you’ve been able to since iOS 7

[UltraSane]

the Winamp GUI and skins are "silly". This is just boring and bland.

[chrismorgan]

> And all of this just to make the whole UI white and generic.

3:30–3:45 in the video is painful. Describing “giving you an entirely new way, to personalise your experience”, while showing… white. White white white. Oh, and light tinted backgrounds to set your white on. I hope the personalisation you wanted was white.

[AlienRobot]

My conspiracy theory is that dark/light theme was invented by companies to keep users from asking for full customization.

[chrismorgan]

We used to have such customisation, then it kinda went away for a while because it was too hard and limited development, and then dark mode was hailed as a brilliant new invention.

But it is worth remembering that dark mode does actually get you some things; it’s not all bad: the restrictions do have some value.

Full customisation became paradoxically limiting: when you give too much power to the user, the app is essentially operating in a hostile environment. Of course, a lot of it was laziness on app and UI framework developers’ parts, but it really did limit innovation, too.

Dark mode gets you a pair of themes that you can switch between easily, and an expectation that there are only two themes you need to consider, with well-defined characteristics. This is a much more practical target, a vastly easier sell for app and framework developers.

The funny thing with monochrome icons is that in some ways they were actually a better fit for a full-customisation environment, where you had arbitrary background and foreground colours. Once it’s just mundane light and dark themes, you could more safely have full colour in two variants.

Certainly light mode and dark mode does not mean things need to be monochrome.

[rdtsc]

Make things slow so they can sell more hardware to make it look faster?

I don’t know, just kidding :-)

If GPUs can handle it, I guess why not. It’s some people will notice and say “wow, looks pretty, glad I upgraded”

[adastra22]

Hey now, this is Windows Vista. Get it straight!