[ookblah]

i was trying to frame it as something i'm also grappling with, but i digress poor choice of words.

maybe you're responding to the wrong person? because i'm not even disagreeing with you on that. maybe they want both or neither, that's fine.

the person i'm responding to is framing mentoring as some kind must have from a "socialization" standpoint (which i disagreed with, but i get the practical aspect of it where if you don't have people train juniors there won't be seniors).

[bluefirebrand]

No, not "socialization" as in "having social interactions with other people"

I mean "socialization" as in "being a positive part of and building a society worth living in"

[ookblah]

and why do you think that has to exist solely within the confines of work? not that you said that, but your comments seem to suggest that if you don't like or want to mentor junior devs then you don't value human connections. thus my comment about having enough connections outside of work.

if it's rewarding to you that's great, but don't frame it as something bigger than it is. i would hope we are all "being a positive part of and building a society worth living in" in our own way.

[bluefirebrand]

> if you don't like or want to mentor junior devs then you don't value human connections

If you don't like or want to mentor the younger generation then you are actively sabotaging the future of society because those people are the future of society

Why do I care about the future of society? Because I still have to live in it for another few decades

[ookblah]

alright, we can agree to disagree because this so obviously touching a chord with you and you're now literally making sweeping assumptions based on things i've never said.

maybe i like taking care of my friends kids, volunteering, or doing other things that contribute to the "future of society"? personally, i think mentoring junior devs is slightly lower on the priority list, but that's my opinion.

seriously, how arrogant of you to make assumptions about how others think about the future based on a tiny slice of your personal life lol.

[bluefirebrand]

> maybe i like taking care of my friends kids, volunteering, or doing other things that contribute to the "future of society

That's great, that doesn't absolve you of your responsibility to also mentor juniors at work though

Those are different tasks in different worlds and they all need doing

[ookblah]

nice deflection. i might not share your enthusiasm for mentoring junior devs, but i do it anyway because like you, i agree it's important. the point, though, is at the end of the day even if i didn't do it you have no fucking right to come with that moral high ground.

if you've optimized every facet of your life to do all the "responsible things" society needs then feel free to throw the first stone. anything else is just posturing.

and just a small thing, it's ironic that you're so fixated on socialization for society’s sake while being so tunnel-visioned in defending your own definition of what that even means. i've given you plenty examples but it just doesn't fit the one you personally adhere to.