[sigmaisaletter]

Obligatory "Scumbag Asus" video link:

Invidious https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=cbGfc-JBxlY

YouTube https://youtube.com/watch?v=cbGfc-JBxlY

"ASUS emailed us last week (...) and asked if they could fly out to our office this week to meet with us about the issues and speak "openly." We told them we'd be down for it but that we'd have to record the conversation. They did say they wanted to speak openly, after all. They haven't replied to us for 5 days. So... ASUS had a chance to correct this. We were holding the video to afford that opportunity. But as soon as we said "sure, but we're filming it because we want a record of what's promised," we get silence."

Edit: formatting

[jeffparsons]

So are there any "basically respectable" motherboard manufacturers? Or is there a similar story about each of the big players?

Asking for a friend who is thinking about building a new PC soon.

[encom]

All the consumer brands are pozzed. My last build (i7-14700K) used an MSI board. Their secureboot is still broken. The BIOS setup is complete mess, and all the settings are reset after a BIOS update. I have to unplug and replug my USB keyboard after a poweroff, or it doesn't work. But I insisted on a board without RGB lights, and that limited the selection. Computers are over.

[ribcage]

There really needs to be an open source project for a PC motherboard.

[matheusmoreira]

Just a few days ago people were talking about this on the kicad discord. A chinese team made an open hardware x86_64 motherboard and published it not too long ago. Then they were essentially wiped off the face of the planet.

That was the day I learned you literally cannot develop a computer motherboard without Intel's permission. Turns out Intel is no different than the likes of Nintendo.

[mrheosuper]

I doubt that.

Chinese "tinker" has been making countless "x99" motherboard that reuse consumer chipset like h81 or b85.

I don't think Intel approve that

[Arnavion]

Yes, if you want to go that route, you'll be better off going with RISC-V.

[jeffparsons]

I absolutely want to go with RISC-V longer-term, but it seems we're still a few years away from RISC-V boards being a pragmatic choice for the average workstation, unless I've missed some recent development.

[Arnavion]

Asrock (sub-brand of Asus but seemingly independent in the product and dev side) has been fine for me over the ~10 years I've bought their mobos. There was the thing a few months ago with X870 mobos that were apparently frying CPUs, but I think that was not sufficiently proven to be their fault?

That said, in their X670 / B650 they have the same setting as what this article is about, and it could be equally as broken on the software side as Asus's is, but I wouldn't know because I don't use Windows so I disabled it.

[oynqr]

Asus and AsRock are separate since 2010.

[Arnavion]

Its new owner since 2010 is still part of the Asus group, but sure it's technically a different company from Asus proper.

[Barbing]

This makes me angry, so can anyone think of a legitimate steelman of their position?

Expect my view is consistent with reality, though: they’re chasing profits and getting away with it, so why go on the record and look bad if they can ignore & spend that time on marketing.

[vachina]

ASUS doesn’t want to deal with the social media horde, who can and will cherry pick words and take things out of context.

If a person comes to talk business with a camera attached to his head, I know he does not come in good faith.

[sigmaisaletter]

It's a journalist coming, because you said you want to talk to the journalist, because of the bad press you had before, because you fucked up.

Seems fair to take a camera.