[sebastialonso]

Never understood the "I'm solar" or "I'm nuclear" crowd. The issue is an engineering problem, not a baseball match.

As an system-oriented person, give me a healthy combination of available, battle tested, new and promising solutions, fine-tuning weaknesses with strengths.

Go to the stadium to solve your local team/visiting team issues. You are all falling to Big Fossil antics.

[pjc50]

The nuclear boosters are particularly odd. I can engage in solar boosterism with my own money: I have 3.7kW on my house. I'm not going to have a backyard reactor, this isn't the Jetsons.

[nandomrumber]

Roof top solar doesn’t work in apartments, and it also doesn’t work for renters.

Roof top solar is great for people with spare cash to optimise heir future cash flow.

I advocate for nuclear because it guarantees the poor won’t freeze in the dark.

[ben_w]

> Roof top solar doesn’t work in apartments, and it also doesn’t work for renters.

So it doesn't go on the roof.

Doesn't mean you can't get PV, in an apartment, as a renter:

https://www.kaufland.de/product/502008893/

These are specifically intended for apartments, and Germany has a low home ownership rate.

It may only be 800W, but it's also only €239, not $10,000 like you suggest in the other reply.

[doublerabbit]

Doesn't work how?

If it's monetary gain then thats a political not one in residence.

If not producing enough power then that's a people's problem. Being greedy taking more than what they need and for not enough resources on building efficiency.

Overall solar works. It's just gate-kept tightly by evil organisations who are scared to lose their dirty cash for such technology to evolve.

[nandomrumber]

Because apartments don’t have roof tops.

And why would a landlord sink $10,000+ in to a property for no return.

Roof top solar only works for the user who has the roof top solar.

For everyone else it makes electricity more expensive.

Happy to be proven wrong. Show me a majority of places with high roof top solar penetration where per kWh electricity rates have fallen.

And who cares about carbon emissions, China and India have that covered - I don’t need to worry about producing more or less CO2 emissions because it won’t make any difference whether or not I believe in catastrophic climate change.

[mmooss]

That's an interesting point, but a much less costly option is to change policies to incentivize landlords, not build multi-billion dollar nuclear plants.

> And who cares about carbon emissions, China and India have that covered - I don’t need to worry about producing more or less CO2 emissions because it won’t make any difference whether or not I believe in catastrophic climate change.

That doesn't change the US's contribution, the ability of the US to form successful international agreements, and the influence of the US pulling its weight as a much wealthier country than China or India.

Blaming your neighbor for your bad behavior - I sell drugs off my porch because my neighbor does - doesn't make you less criminal. Also unacceptable, from moral and practical perspectives, is saying 'there's nothing I can do'. It's time we stop letting that pass.

[opo]

In most places home rooftop solar systems are heavily subsidized by everyone else. Also, in almost all cases, the home installation doesn’t have enough battery power to actually last through inclement weather and so is free riding on the reliability provided by the grid, putting more costs on the less well off. The whole thing is sort of a reverse Robin Hood scheme. One might argue that we should be subsidizing solar energy, but then the subsidies should go to utility grade solar. Money is limited and is fungible - a dollar spent subsidizing utility solar will go much, much further than a dollar spent subsidizing rooftop residential solar.

As the statista.com report says >...Rooftop solar photovoltaic installations on residential buildings and nuclear power have the highest unsubsidized levelized costs of energy generation in the United States. If it wasn't for federal and state subsidies, rooftop solar PV would come with a price tag between 122 and 284 U.S. dollars per megawatt-hour.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/493797/estimated-leveliz...

[EasyMark]

We're weird because we want a proven power supply to be built and used? Are the French really that much more capable than the USA that we can't replicate or surpass what they've done in their country with nuclear?

[melling]

Does the engineering problem have any time constraints? I suppose my sense of urgency comes from stated climate goals.

An extra 50 years to solve the problem changes everything.

[looofooo0]

Lets face it deploying nuclear around the world will add other mayor headaches like nuclear profileration.

[nandomrumber]

What nuclear proliferation?

How many nuclear electricity states are there? 30

How many nuclear weapons states are there? 9

What headaches are those nine nuclear capable states providing, exactly?

How has the world been made worse by having nine nuclear capable states? Practically, not just hypothetical anxieties about an unrealised future.

[mmooss]

> hypothetical anxieties about an unrealised future.

Preventing nuclear war is just 'hypothetical anxieties'? We should wait for a war to happen and then do something? That's not persuasive.

[natmaka]

Because, for now, those non-nuclear-capable states weren't interested in becoming nuclear-capable. On a standard PWR (the most common type of civilian industrial reactor) cooking military-grade plutonium is easy: charge it, let it start ('diverge') and then run, all as usual, then shut it down early.

[EasyMark]

Right now two of them are ready to go to war, and potentially nuclear war if one starts losing over a relatively small strip of land.

[looofooo0]

Ok, how many are democracies of those 21 without nukes or have or had a defense alliance with a country with nukes?

[pjc50]

Let's ask people what the correct number of nuclear plants that should be built to decarbonize Iran is.

[SoftTalker]

That's happening anyway.